Host Jaleel White is joined by child actor turned TV director Matt Shakman, who went from the snarky little brother on 80s sitcom Just the Ten of Us to directing episodes of Game Of Thrones, Billions, Succession, It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia, and the new Marvel Avengers spinoff WandaVision. Jaleel and Matt bond over transitioning to life behind the camera.

Thanks to our sponsor BetterHELP. Get 10% off your first month at https://betterhelp.com/EVER.

Also, thanks to our sponsor Skillshare. The first 1,000 users to sign up at www.skillshare.com/EVER will get a free trial Skillshare Premium membership.