Natalie Brunell is joined by Mauricio Di Bartolomeo, Co-Founder & CSO of Ledn (www.ledn.io/natalie), to demystify Bitcoin-backed loans. We discuss:

• What is a Bitcoin-backed loan?
• Why are the interest rates so high compared to other loans?
• What if Bitcoin's price drops when you take a loan? 
• Shorting fiat currency and going long digital property aka Bitcoin
• Origin story of Ledn
• Escaping socialism in Venezuela

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