This time Elle welcomes Canadian wine writer Natalie MacLean, whose book Wine Witch on Fire was recently published (and devoured by Elle)--look for the book (and some juicy discounts) here! You can also find a guide to the book complete with book club prompts and tips on hosting a tasting here.

The two had an excellent talk on what it was like being a woman in tech, as well as what she did when the wine bros came for her...and ultimately triumphed. Plus, they discuss some handy tips if you are trying to drink less.

Lastly, look here for more on her free pairing class and Unreserved Wine Talk podcast.

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