In this heartfelt episode, I sit down with my former youth pastor and lifelong mentor, TJ Classen. TJ is a man who helped shape my faith and leadership during my most formative years.

Now serving in Omaha, Nebraska, TJ opens up about the powerful lessons he’s learned through ministry, moving across the country, and letting go of the weight of trying to “save” people himself. Together, we explore the tension between loving people deeply and trusting God fully especially when you have to move on, let go, or watch people struggle.

From building student-led ministries to wrestling with calling and roles placed on him, this conversation is filled with wisdom, laughter, humility, and raw truth. Whether you’re a leader, a big brother, or just someone who cares deeply about the people around you this episode will speak to your heart.

Our key themes include the difference between influence and control, leading with love and letting truth follow, what it really means to live for God’s glory, the quiet strength of introverted leaders, and how to lead, mentor, and let go well.