This week, Kate and Claire chat about the ways they’re perceived in the world, both in pregnancy and in new motherhood. In both cases, they’ve noticed women who acknowledge them with a knowing “welcome to the club” look — a look Joe will sadly never understand. Claire reflects on whether or not she wants people to think she’s a mom, or whether she prefers that it be a fun, shocking little surprise. Kate thinks about both wanting and not wanting to have people treat her differently as a visibly pregnant person. 

CW: Body image, weight changes 

Weekly Plugs:

Ice water

The Courage to be Disliked

Supportive sneakers  

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Kate’s Instagram: @KateHerzlin

Claire’s Instagram: @ClaireTadokoro

Editing, recording, post production and dad insights by Joe Leonardo. 

Music by Christopher Morucci.