MuggleCast Live at LeakyCon 2024!
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Eric, Micah, and Chloé record a special, 19 years later-themed episode of MuggleCast live from LeakyCon in Portland, Oregon! We reflect on the show's journey so far, revisit the epilogue in Deathly Hallows, and play two of our show's games (Make the Connection and What If...) with listeners!
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00:00:00
(upbeat music)
00:00:02
- We're live at LeakyCon 2024.
00:00:18
This is Muggo Kass.
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(audience cheering)
00:00:23
Welcome, welcome everybody.
00:00:26
I am Eric, I'm Micah.
00:00:29
And we are here to celebrate 19 years of Muggo Kass, which is wild.
00:00:37
- Juju.
00:00:38
- I'm so glad you said that.
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I actually have a quick recording that's canned, just in case you would refuse to say Juju.
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- I'll play it anyway.
00:00:48
- Yeah, yeah.
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Again.
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- Juju.
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- It's actually kind of fun to just keep playing it.
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We're gonna make it our phone text alert too.
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But yes, so we're really, really happy to be here.
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Is everybody having a good con so far?
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(audience cheering)
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Fantastic.
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That's really awesome.
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We are too.
00:01:07
We've had some good panels.
00:01:08
We have two more things tomorrow, which is very exciting.
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But most of all, we're just happy for everyone that's been here.
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We had our meetup yesterday, which I think went really lovely.
00:01:17
And we're just really excited to be here and celebrating and still being able to do this after all this time.
00:01:23
- 19 years is a long time.
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- But this is far from an epilogue.
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We will not be ending today, which is very exciting.
00:01:31
Very exciting news.
00:01:32
So yeah, we definitely will actually be talking about the Deathly Hallows epilogue as kind of, it's a little break from our usual chapter by chapters going through Goblet of Fire, but we definitely wanted to make it a big part of today's discussion as well as some really cool games and fun segments.
00:01:50
So, Micah, do you have any reflective thoughts on the 19 years and what Muggle Cas, what doing the shows met you?
00:01:59
- I know I said it earlier, but it's really hard to believe that it's been two decades of doing podcasting.
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I know at Leaky Con last year, we talked a lot about just how old we are.
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But I still think we're better than ever.
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We've aged well.
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- Like a wine.
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- Yes.
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- Like Elf made wine.
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- Yeah, and I think too it's the friendships that we've created along the way.
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The people here that many of whom we know are listeners and it's just been a really great experience.
00:02:26
- Yeah, no, I completely agree.
00:02:29
And thinking about when we started out, we were all really, really young and the sound quality wasn't as great and everything.
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And the idea that we've continued to reinvent and grow and also grow with an audience and go from talking about the books before we knew how they would end to talking about the books when they had ended,
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but when the hype was still really huge, to now we're also adults offering fresh perspective on Harry Potter.
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But the show has gone through entire phases.
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We've been doing this long enough to continue to reinvent and be able to identify entire sections and everything.
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And for anybody who people tell us, we went back and listened to the whole catalog, you don't have to do that.
00:03:05
Also, we're very sorry that the audio quality of those early episodes was abysmal.
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But we did what we could.
00:03:12
With Skype and Audacity and the Plan Tronics headsets that keep getting a shout out.
00:03:16
So, but yeah, we are gonna be talking about the epilogue discussion today.
00:03:23
But before we do that, we need seven volunteers from the audience.
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And if you want to be a volunteer, simply come on up to the microphone that's here right in the center of the room, if you like.
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And I think there are, you know, fewer than seven hands.
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So everybody can just walk up the first seven people.
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- I love how they volunteer as tribute.
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They have no idea what they're doing.
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- They have no idea.
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- I don't know, I don't know for listeners of the show, this may be pretty clear.
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- We need one more person.
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- We do, we gotta say, okay, all right, all right.
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The seven words.
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- The seven words, sorry.
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- It's sorry.
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- We are talking, of course, about the epilogue that follows Deathly Hallows, where we meet up with Hermione, Ron, and Harry, 19 years later on the platform.
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It's only seven pages long.
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And we would like our new volunteers, fresh-faced smiling, to complete our seven word summary.
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(dramatic music)
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- Together.
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- Sorry.
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- Together.
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- Together.
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- Together.
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- The.
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- The.
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- Trio.
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- Arrive.
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- At.
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- He's King's Cross one word or two.
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- It's one.
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- King's Cross.
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(dramatic music)
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- Station.
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- King's Cross Station.
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(audience applauding)
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- Yes.
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So together we arrive at King's Cross Station, or the Trio, the Trio, sorry.
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Together the Trio arrive at King's Cross Station, extremely accurate summary.
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And that is about all that happens, right, Micah?
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- Yeah, you know, there's a little bit of editing that goes on sometimes.
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- Yeah.
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- Some relations were on it and sometimes it's like, why did we ever invent this segment to begin with?
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- Yeah, it's designed to trip our, it's actually designed to make ourselves look less good, I think.
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I often suspect Andrew's like, you know, because after you've been doing this the whole time, it's like it's fun to trip ourselves up and see if we can do it.
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It's really hard, right?
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Thanks to all the volunteers, by the way.
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You did that.
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It's not as easy as it looks, maybe.
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(audience applauding)
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Yeah.
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So I wanted to say because we all read the epilogue when it was first published in 2007, which was 17 years ago.
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And I just, you know, we reread it earlier today and I want to ask how we feel about it now, if we remember how we felt about it then,
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versus now.
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Also, please welcome to the stage, our wonderful social media manager, Chloe Laverson.
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(audience applauding)
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Hi, Chloe.
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- Hi, everyone.
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I'm sorry, I just got like a little sick.
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So, stage fright.
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- Yes, stage fright, I'm so nervous.
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Just being around the two of you, you know.
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(laughing)
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- That's the right answer, welcome back.
00:06:22
- Michael, what are your thoughts now having just read the epilogue after, you know, a long time?
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- I enjoyed it, but I know that there's a bit of controversy, right, around the epilogue.
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- There was, when it came out as I recall, it was very divisive.
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It was very, some people questioned whether an epilogue shouldn't be there at all.
00:06:41
Others, I think like myself maybe saw it as a way for the author, so I was like, she just wrote seven whole books that we loved, and this little thing that we didn't really love, but it's her way of saying goodbye to the characters we can give her that.
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- I don't think it should have been written.
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I don't think that the blog should exist.
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- Hot take.
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Chloe will always bring hot takes.
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You all know if you listen, but like, I just think that she should have left it open for all of us.
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It is too perfect.
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Everyone's paired up, I'm sorry, let me just say one thing.
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Ron would 100% be a bachelor still at this time.
00:07:17
He needs to grow a little bit, I'm serious, and if he marries her mind, it's her second marriage.
00:07:24
No, I'm not kidding.
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Like, it's crazy that they all would just perfectly live and happy ever after, after all that they've been through, the trauma that they experienced, and this entire Wizarding War,
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and then it's just like, yeah, and everything's so good and so perfect.
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And I get that it's almost like, oh yay, like, they all get to live out happily ever after, but it just feels almost clipped.
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So I think other people felt that way too, but.
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- Don't they deserve a happily ever after after all they've been through?
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- I agree with you, but I think it should have been left open for us to decide like, what was their happily ever after.
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- Well, that is the criticism I remember about the blog when it first aired, was that for fan fiction writers.
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It was like a big middle finger.
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It was literally however you thought, or any reader really, how you thought these characters might be paired up differently.
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Here's the answer to all of them.
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Here's the answer to all the relationships.
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There's nothing left up to interpretation, and if you're a fan-fick writer who happens to ship Hermione with literally anybody else, sorry, and also here's what all their awful kid's names are.
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The only thing I just liked about it was like, the kid's names, I'm sure, Mike, you probably agree.
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- So it's interesting.
00:08:33
If the book had ended on the previous chapter, I think, long curious to ask, do people feel like it would have been good enough resolution, Harry talking with Portrait Dumbledore about the resolution of the Deathly Hallows?
00:08:45
Would that have been sufficient to close out the entire series?
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- I see nods, but like, woo, we're subject.
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- So show of hands.
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- Yeah, actually, actually show of hands.
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Who thinks that the epilogue is okay, and it's good that it's in there?
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- Okay.
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- And that's a fair amount of people, and I don't necessarily feel one way or the other.
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But who thinks that it actually, there should be changed in a pretty big way, or not in the book at all?
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- Wow.
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- Oh, okay.
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- And like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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- Yeah.
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- Changed or not.
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- So I looked it up.
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The last line then would have been, if it ended with the previous chapter, Harry speaking and saying, "I've had enough trouble for a lifetime, which I feel is pretty fair."
00:09:28
- That's kind of good.
00:09:29
- Better than all was well in a way.
00:09:32
- But I do love the all was well motif.
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I'm not gonna lie, like, that's really beautiful.
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So I will give the epilogue that, for sure.
00:09:40
It just, it felt unnecessary, and honestly, can I maybe another hot take, of course.
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It feels like almost a fanfic.
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You know what I mean?
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She's like, and everyone got married, and their, the names are crazy.
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Like, it really feels like a fanfic.
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- Like, later, it was like.
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- Oh, is that a fanfic?
00:10:00
- I think so.
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Like, it feels like someone who's like 14 and just read the books, and it's like, "Okay, now I'm gonna name the kids of all the made-o.
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It's funny, it's because for the longest time, Rowling said she had actually written the final chapter first and stored it in like a safe before all the rest of it.
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So maybe she was much younger and endless.
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- But is, is 19 years later the final chapter, or is it what you just said?
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Is it the last?
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- I think it was the epilogue.
00:10:22
- It was the epilogue.
00:10:23
- I think it was the epilogue.
00:10:24
But there was also controversy because it didn't end on scar.
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Does everybody remember this?
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There was an early interview where she said, like, I've already written the final chapter.
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Also, I've already known like what the final sentence would be.
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And somehow it came out that the last word we scar, we all get definitely how it was in midnight on July, whatever, 2007.
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And then the last word wasn't scar.
00:10:42
It was well, and it was like, well, all right.
00:10:46
However, she did, upon asking, or being asked, the author did say that I believe the sentence would have been, only those who loved Harry could make out the faint outline on his forehead of a distinct lightning bolt scar,
00:11:01
which is really freaking awesome, actually.
00:11:03
- It is, it is really cool.
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- It's a little bit of magic.
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- It's beautiful.
00:11:06
I do think that like, I love that the scar, we think that the scar is still really prominent by the end because it's always a reminder.
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And I think that they need a reminder in the Wizarding world.
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They've had two of these wars, like let's not have a third, you know.
00:11:22
- I like that a lot.
00:11:24
The names though, let's talk about it.
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- For somebody who is so good naming characters, what is it?
00:11:32
- Yeah, actually that credit is due before the upload.
00:11:36
- Mm-hmm, yeah, I agree.
00:11:38
- I have strong feelings that I know that everyone has talked to these names to death.
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I know all of you have had this conversation with your friends and they're like, are you kidding me?
00:11:47
Like, did she really not name one kid Hagrid?
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Or, and I agree with you, I have like, why did she name Harry's two, like well, he's three kids.
00:11:59
Two of them are named after a couple, which is so weird to me.
00:12:02
Like, I don't know if anyone else does.
00:12:03
- Billy and James are siblings.
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- They're siblings in what, this gen, but they're married in the Marauders.
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Like, that feels icky to me, it feels a little weird.
00:12:14
Also, Al is his nickname in the epilogue.
00:12:17
Like, Albus, can you imagine in 2017 having your name, your nickname be Al, and like, going to school.
00:12:24
- You know, maybe it was a prediction that just went awry.
00:12:27
She thought Al was coming back and said, you know, like by 2017, this will be the biggest name on the internet ever have.
00:12:33
- But like, honestly, I'm not surprised, Chris Child happened because if my name was Al, I would definitely be upset.
00:12:38
- And Scorpius too.
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Like, Drake, his parents are basically setting in the self up to be evil.
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Thank God he doesn't turn out to be, but like, Scorpius, please.
00:12:50
- It's a bit strange.
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It just felt, see, here's the problem with writing any of this as we weren't familiar with these characters.
00:12:57
So it's like, the snippet you get of them, and if it's like, what's in a name, it seemed that there was, in fact, more of this idea of naming your kid after your parent, like to honor your parent,
00:13:07
but again, if Snape gets, you know, sort of a name reference, the guy that creeped out your grandma.
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- Like, are you crazy?
00:13:15
Oh, and then-- - Well, then where's the hacker though?
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- Then you name your other kid after said grandma.
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Like, that's wild.
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Like, Jay-- - Oh, yeah.
00:13:24
- And Snape are all represented in siblings.
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It's like, what is this?
00:13:28
- They were all kind of romantily in hangover.
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- Uh-huh.
00:13:31
- Uh, funky, man.
00:13:33
- The more I think about this, the let, oh God.
00:13:35
- Yeah, it's diabolical is what it is.
00:13:38
- Yeah, so like, but we also learn about other characters, right?
00:13:42
We learn about Draco's kid.
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Is there, we learn about Teddy and Victoria show up.
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- I, so one thing that I really wish we could change is, I wanna know more about Teddy.
00:13:51
And I do think that what's special about the epilogue is that we do get names, which has made it so fanfic writers can take these characters and go crazy with them.
00:14:01
- That's true enough.
00:14:02
- But I will say, I think the names are the reason that Marauders are more popular to write fanfic than their gen.
00:14:08
- Like, genuinely, I think that maybe if their names were different, people would be more interested in writing about them.
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But I wanna know more about Teddy.
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I wanna know, all we know is that he's like snogging Victoir.
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Like, that's all we know about him.
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That's all we get.
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- And we kinda work down that he's graduated from Hogwarts by that point, right?
00:14:27
- Yeah, so the age difference is like, hmm.
00:14:30
- Hmm.
00:14:31
- Hmm.
00:14:31
- Okay.
00:14:31
- You know, like, uh oh, yeah.
00:14:33
It's a little Victor Hermione situation.
00:14:37
(laughs)
00:14:38
But I wanna know like if Teddy is training to be an orer and like following in his mom's footsteps, or I want more than, oh, he's like making out with his girlfriend in the corner,
00:14:48
which is weird.
00:14:49
You pointed that out earlier.
00:14:51
(laughs)
00:14:52
- It was just, it was a little strange for that to be included.
00:14:55
- Yeah.
00:14:56
- Like if he was forced in there.
00:14:56
- Yeah, by the way, they're making out just so you know, like, that's a lot.
00:15:01
(laughs)
00:15:01
- The things that I like about the epilogue, and I can kinda see where Harry's coming from with Albus Severus, right?
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It's like the dichotomy of man.
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You have Albus Dumbledore, great man, and then you have Severus, who is deeply flawed, but ultimately saved the world.
00:15:12
- Are we saying that Albus Dumbledore is not deeply flawed?
00:15:16
- Are you taking the Andrew Sims approach?
00:15:18
- Oh my God.
00:15:19
(laughs)
00:15:20
I think there's a spell on these individual mics.
00:15:23
- For real.
00:15:23
- I just like have to shoot.
00:15:24
- They're both flawed, and it honestly kind of makes me sad in a way that one person got Albus Severus, 'cause first of all, what a wait to carry.
00:15:34
And then J.K.R.
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wrote Curse Child and made him also super flawed and super complicated as a character.
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- I think she authorized the story.
00:15:44
Okay, well, whatever it is, like these names, for some reason, make you super complicated as a human.
00:15:52
- Yeah, why give a kid that much baggage?
00:15:54
- Exactly.
00:15:55
- So I'd heard this theory about Albus Severus, specifically, because then it gives him the initials, ASP, ASP, which is a snake.
00:16:04
- Oh.
00:16:04
- That's getting sorted into Slytherin.
00:16:06
- Oh.
00:16:08
- For Sandwell.
00:16:08
- Do you think that she knew when she wrote this apparently before the entire series that she was also gonna put, oh, I guess she did.
00:16:17
- Well, it's not, I wouldn't hold her to, like, every word was the same in 1991.
00:16:21
Like, I don't, I don't, I really will see.
00:16:22
- No, and like, that's not how writing works.
00:16:24
Like, there's no reason why an editor wouldn't, 'cause you wouldn't, you wouldn't get it fully edited in 1991.
00:16:29
You know, so like, I think some things obviously organically changed, but the general layout, and in terms of it, I don't know.
00:16:34
I see it, I did see it at the time, 'cause I was surrounded by a bunch of people.
00:16:37
We're writing fanfic, as a giant FU to people, it was like, you don't touch my cannon, here's how they all end up, here's how they pair, and if you write a FIC, that's different.
00:16:46
You're not cannon compliant.
00:16:47
- I'm not gonna let you, if I reread Deathly Hallows, and I will, when you all eventually get to it.
00:16:53
- Yeah.
00:16:54
- I'm not gonna read that blog, and I'm gonna read like a Germanic that I prefer, as my end.
00:16:59
- Oh, all right.
00:17:00
- And I encourage all of you to pick a FIC that you prefer as the ending to the story.
00:17:05
- Wow.
00:17:06
- Yeah, I kinda still feel, in spite of everything, the same where it's like, okay, and I have many, many problems with Deathly Hallows, but I think the epilogue is like, "Let's give her that."
00:17:17
If it's an emotional conclusion, if that's what she like, cried writing, or like to think, and however I don't necessarily like the, Teddy Lupin, the series had to end on an orphan.
00:17:26
- Oh, Lord.
00:17:27
- I think that's just an excuse to be completely-- - Well, you said that it closed like cannon off, and that was a common, like, I guess, critique of the epilogue, but to me,
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that was the only opening, or that was like the solid opening.
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Her ending with Teddy made me feel like she might write about Teddy, and like, that gave, 'cause she like, yeah, she, I mean, she loves her orphans, so I was thinking maybe,
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you know.
00:17:51
- Cool.
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I hope he has a happy life.
00:17:54
- There's incredible fanfics about Teddy Lupin, though, so I encourage everyone to check them out.
00:17:58
- Yeah, and I think that's really, that's really something that we've learned, why the fandom is still able to exist, and why the podcast is still able to exist 19 years later, is that people are still actively engaging with the source material,
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and whether that's through new fanfake, whether it's through listening to a couple of users on a podcast that have been doing this since before the last book-- - See for yourself.
00:18:17
- Anyway, 'cause, sorry, a couple of youngins on a podcast, but yeah, we've been muggle casting more than half my life,
00:18:28
which is crazy.
00:18:29
- That is crazy.
00:18:30
- Is that really crazy?
00:18:31
- He's definitely been muggle casting most of my life.
00:18:34
- I know last year we did this whole thing, are you, is muggle cast older than?
00:18:40
And it was like older than the iPhone, older than me.
00:18:43
- No.
00:18:44
- But only just.
00:18:44
- But only just, only just, preschool Chloe, you know.
00:18:48
- Yeah, but you know what, it's so beautiful that y'all have been able to come up with new things, and you can always keep it interesting, so.
00:18:55
- Were there any other thoughts on the epilogue before we move on to our first game segment?
00:19:00
- I think it'll be one of those continually divisive things, where it's like, oh, what's this about?
00:19:05
- Oh, Harry should have ended up with Luna.
00:19:07
(laughing)
00:19:08
- You would say that with those spectres backs on.
00:19:10
- No, it's not, no, it's not, well.
00:19:12
- I think I should have ended up with Professor Longbottom, like if I'm picking-- - No.
00:19:16
- I'm ending up with, but I think that Harry and Luna just had such a beautiful connection throughout the books that I honestly think they would have had such a beautiful marriage, but that's the only small thing I would change.
00:19:28
- Okay, okay.
00:19:31
- My, yeah, minor detail.
00:19:35
- Let's change the epilogue so it suits me specifically, but-- - There's not one fan figures.
00:19:41
(laughing)
00:19:42
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- We actually have a fourth guest that we have not yet introduced to the show.
00:21:15
Everybody please give a warm Hogwarts welcome to...
00:21:19
- The Hogwarts sorting hat.
00:21:21
- I honestly had no idea where you were going with that.
00:21:24
I was like, "Wait, you didn't tell us."
00:21:26
- I thought it was going to be a Melissa Johnnie.
00:21:28
- Me too, I was so ready.
00:21:30
I was so ready.
00:21:32
- Hello, everyone.
00:21:34
- Okay, lovingly sortie.
00:21:35
- Yeah, sortie is what we call 'em.
00:21:38
So the sorting hat is here.
00:21:39
And for those of you who attended our Muggledcast meetup.
00:21:44
- We love you.
00:21:45
- You may know what this is going to be, but we actually have suggestions for our what if segment that was submitted by all of our listeners and we have not laid eyes on them before.
00:21:57
They're alternative questions.
00:22:00
What would have happened?
00:22:01
We theorize how the series would be different with a different ending or if with one particular detail changed.
00:22:09
One example I will give, and we're going to start with that when actually before digging into our pal, the hat, is what would happen in Halfwood Prince if Harry had drank the potion in the cave other than Dumbledore?
00:22:25
- Oh my God.
00:22:26
He doesn't need any more trauma.
00:22:29
Oh my goodness.
00:22:30
- His Dumbledore very famously was like, this must be me, nothing that you do, he didn't let Harry do anything in the cave.
00:22:38
Because-- - This didn't really have to be him though.
00:22:41
- He was bearing the weight, right.
00:22:42
- It could have been Harry.
00:22:43
- We also didn't know exactly what it did.
00:22:45
- Oh, that's true.
00:22:47
- I think the common conjecture now is that it forced Dumbledore to relive some of the worst moments of his life, such as when he couldn't protect or save his sister.
00:22:55
- I almost think it might have been a better play, a horrifying play, but almost better if Harry drank it because Dumbledore probably had better capabilities to get them out of there and also knew all the secrets of the cave and just didn't tell Harry ahead of time.
00:23:13
You know, like why couldn't Dumbledore have been like, "Hey, fire is gonna fight these inferiority that are in the lake."
00:23:19
Like, I don't-- - Maybe then there wouldn't have been any inferior because Dumbledore wouldn't have.
00:23:25
- Right, so-- - No, not to disturb the water.
00:23:26
- Yeah.
00:23:27
- Yeah, exactly.
00:23:28
- That's what I'm saying, like-- - No, you had to because of the refill the potion.
00:23:32
- Well, no, because he was trying to, he was trying to hydrate Dumbledore.
00:23:37
So he was getting water from the lake and it was easy to get in.
00:23:40
- He could have hydrated me.
00:23:41
- No, it really probably should have been Harry, but Dumbledore, I guess, his thought process was he didn't want to torture Harry more.
00:23:47
- Dumbledore's like 150.
00:23:48
- He's probably-- - He's like, "I'm on the way out, babes."
00:23:51
Like, "Oh, good, I can do it."
00:23:53
Well, that was probably his reasoning.
00:23:54
He's old, decrepit, ready to go.
00:23:56
- I think, too, like, it did substantially weaken Dumbledore to the point where I think I can see the argument where would the events of the lightning struck tower have happened differently?
00:24:07
- Probably, 'cause he would have been all there.
00:24:09
He was so weak.
00:24:10
- At the same time, he was ready to go-- - He planned his death, like that's the other thing.
00:24:14
- It did need to be Snape that killed him.
00:24:16
So I guess regardless, Dumbledore would have died.
00:24:19
- Yeah.
00:24:20
- In the next chapter.
00:24:21
- And Harry wouldn't-- Harry this way didn't have to relive his trauma, but he also got traumatized watching Dumbledore.
00:24:28
There's no winning, no matter what.
00:24:31
- I completely agree.
00:24:32
So, let's start pulling from our friend, the Hat and Micah, you can actually go first on the left, what other, what ifs?
00:24:39
- So am I asking the two of you, then?
00:24:41
- Well, no, you're also participating.
00:24:43
You might have the only answer.
00:24:44
- You might be smarter than us.
00:24:45
- Yeah, probably.
00:24:46
- So, what if Dudley hadn't eaten the Tantong Taufi, and Tantwist in me, until after Arthur and the other Weasley's had left Prima Drive?
00:24:56
- Dead.
00:24:59
Dead.
00:25:01
It said, we just covered this on Goblet of Fire during our episode, but Arthur Weasley was put in an impossible situation by his sons, who, you know, they're already predisposed to distrust wizards,
00:25:14
and now you've created this incident where you again have put Dudley in harm's way.
00:25:18
- I think Fred and George are in Ask a Band, if that's the case.
00:25:22
- Or whatever.
00:25:23
- Or whatever.
00:25:24
- Whatever juvenile version of that, there is, because, I mean, that is fully muggle abuse.
00:25:31
It was already, but that's death.
00:25:32
Yeah, he'd be murdered a muggle.
00:25:34
Like, they're probably going to Ask a Band, and weasley's Wizard Weasley's is never taking off, and that's a bummer, too.
00:25:43
But Fred would have lit.
00:25:44
- Oh, whoa.
00:25:47
- Is it living if you're under, if you ask your hand, I don't know.
00:25:51
- That's a big question, Mark, definitely.
00:25:53
Well, I wonder if they're minors if they would have gotten less time?
00:25:58
I don't know.
00:25:59
Maybe, maybe Fred would have lived well, but then when they do the breakout in Ask a Band, are we sure?
00:26:04
- But Dudley would be gone.
00:26:06
- Yeah, Dudley.
00:26:07
- It was, it's one of Fred and George's worst actions, and there's a short list of them, but it's real bad.
00:26:14
Because nobody else would be able to reverse the magic that it caused.
00:26:18
So that was a really good question.
00:26:19
Thank you to who submitted it.
00:26:20
- It suffocate via tongue.
00:26:22
- It's also one of the worst ways to die.
00:26:24
- Yeah, definitely.
00:26:25
- Especially, you know, in fear, and with your loved ones right next to you, but completely unable to help.
00:26:31
- Hmm.
00:26:31
- It's like Game of Thrones level.
00:26:33
- Yeah, it's, it's honestly, it's very purple wedding.
00:26:35
- Well, definitely, it's like not a children's book, at that point, you know, like the no children are reading that.
00:26:39
(laughing)
00:26:40
- So Chloe, would you like to grab the next, what if?
00:26:42
- I would.
00:26:43
Also shout out to Meg for, you know, - Vetting.
00:26:47
- Vetting all of the things.
00:26:48
- Yeah, and making sure they were all the same size paper too, which is really cool.
00:26:51
- Well, this is another Dursley's questions.
00:26:53
Okay, what if the Dursley's gave Harry real love and supported him as a wizard?
00:26:59
Oh, don't we wish?
00:27:01
- That would never happen.
00:27:02
- Yeah.
00:27:03
(laughing)
00:27:04
But if it did, I think that, ooh, this is maybe a really hot take.
00:27:10
Would Harry be the savior of the wizarding world then?
00:27:12
No.
00:27:13
I think it would probably be Neville.
00:27:15
I've, I think Neville's the chosen one if Harry gets real love.
00:27:20
- I wonder if, so, Harry's abuse and neglect makes him the only candidate for the reason that he is the hero?
00:27:29
- Well, there's obviously the prophecy, right?
00:27:32
But I wonder if Harry goes to school and has less of a need to prove himself, less of a need for validation from others, and less of a need to find adventure and like save everyone and everything.
00:27:47
Because he already knows that he can go home and get that validation and that love.
00:27:52
I mean, Harry is so desperate to prove that he belongs.
00:27:57
And I think if he had a place of belonging already, less, you would need to prove that as much.
00:28:04
- I really want that for Harry actually though.
00:28:05
- I really do too.
00:28:07
I really do too.
00:28:08
But he gets real love.
00:28:10
- It's nice to know that in an alternate version of the epilogue, Dudley would have been showing up at Kings Cross with his wizard child.
00:28:16
- Why was that taken out?
00:28:17
- I don't know.
00:28:18
Because that child would have been named something crazy.
00:28:21
(laughing)
00:28:23
Rolling looked at her and it was like, "That's one too many names to cross it off."
00:28:26
I'll give them a bone.
00:28:27
Anyone can name Dudley's kid whatever they want.
00:28:29
- I do love that head cannon though that Dudley Dersley has a magical child, absolutely.
00:28:34
- That's so cool.
00:28:35
All right, here's another one.
00:28:36
If, shake it up, shake it up.
00:28:38
Thank you, Hat.
00:28:40
This one.
00:28:41
What if Voldemort believed the prophecy to be about Neville actually?
00:28:47
Okay, so there we have it.
00:28:49
- Wow.
00:28:50
- We did not set this up.
00:28:51
- No, we didn't.
00:28:52
- We know they're flowing together.
00:28:54
- But again, that was kind of my question when you were talking about Harry receiving love is as far as I know, the prophecy was sort of set to be on Harry after that first choice.
00:29:03
Which house does Voldemort go into?
00:29:07
But if he believed it to be about Neville, it is questionable whether Lillian James would have survived the attack by Voldemort's followers that incapacitated Frank Nellis and whether there's some future,
00:29:21
what Harry would be the memory adult child at Hogwarts due to the result of-- - They just switch lives.
00:29:30
- Yeah.
00:29:31
- Sort of switched at birth situation.
00:29:32
- That's a no-win situation.
00:29:33
- Yeah.
00:29:34
- Also Neville, and I'm gonna be so honest, Neville's my boy, I said it earlier, I'd marry him.
00:29:40
I, he comes to his own much later than Harry.
00:29:44
Harry, if I'm so honest with you already has a lot that Neville doesn't in the first few books.
00:29:51
So I imagine the events would go much differently, would Voldemort get this philosopher's stone?
00:29:59
Like I'm, I'm not kidding.
00:30:00
Like if I'm so honest, Neville isn't like quite as strong magically and we know later it's 'cause of his wand and a lot of other, you know, different reasons.
00:30:10
But Neville is really nervous and a scared, anxious kid and Harry Potter is a little stronger in the first books.
00:30:19
A lot stronger.
00:30:20
- Do we think Alice would have stepped in front of the spell?
00:30:23
- 100 person.
00:30:24
- Yes, and that's the thing about that that I don't like is it all comes down to what like Lillian did something no mother ever, other, no Alice will ever in stepping in front of him.
00:30:32
- No, that happened hundreds of times on a battlefield.
00:30:35
Clear, like.
00:30:35
- I'm, I mean, none of us are parents, but I'm sure there's moments like the audience that were like, yeah, I wouldn't know.
00:30:39
- I think, I think.
00:30:40
- And then there's a reading where it's like because she was given a choice and she chose to-- - Well, maybe that's the better question would she have been given the choice because wasn't the whole reason why Lillie was given the choice was because of snake.
00:30:51
- Oh.
00:30:53
- Yeah.
00:30:53
- Oh god.
00:30:54
- Well, here's the next one.
00:30:55
(laughing)
00:30:57
Oh no, this is horrifying.
00:31:00
What if Luna had been killed in her mom's accident and never went to Hogwarts?
00:31:05
How would that have affected Harry's story?
00:31:08
This one's made for Lillie here.
00:31:11
- I think that Luna brought Harry, I think Luna Loki was Harry's therapist.
00:31:17
There needs to be therapists at Hogwarts, you know this.
00:31:19
We know this.
00:31:20
- Oh god, so bad.
00:31:21
- But I think that Luna in the fifth and sixth book really give Harry some much, much needed therapy sessions and she relates to him in a way that literally no one else can,
00:31:34
no one else.
00:31:35
And I think that without Luna there, Harry would have been felt much more alone in the fifth book, oh my god.
00:31:42
And I think that he wouldn't have felt as much like solace.
00:31:49
And Luna as well, she just, I think, is a comfort to him in a way that none of the other main characters are.
00:31:56
So I don't know, I think Harry would have a way worse time.
00:32:00
- He would be less stable.
00:32:01
- Way less stable.
00:32:02
- Less supportive.
00:32:03
- Yeah.
00:32:04
- I love the way it's so rich in the books.
00:32:06
I mean, Luna being one of the best characters, but it's so rich in the way that Harry, at first is like sort of repelled by Luna, like, who is this crazy?
00:32:14
And then he's like, oh, she actually is like, I'm relying on her emotionally.
00:32:17
- It's like, who is this crazy?
00:32:18
- Yeah, yeah.
00:32:20
- I need it.
00:32:20
- Ah, but also because she's able to hear the voices behind the veil and eventually finds a kindred spirit.
00:32:29
- Yeah, they're crazy's match, 100%.
00:32:31
Yeah.
00:32:32
(laughing)
00:32:33
- Who wants to do the next, what if?
00:32:34
- What if we got a spin off show about another wizarding school from the Quizzage Master himself?
00:32:41
- I was about to say you're literally sporting.
00:32:43
- Oh, yes, we, we, we, we, well, we need to know this.
00:32:48
- Wow, very good.
00:32:49
- We need to hear about the Boba tongue.
00:32:51
We need to learn.
00:32:52
- I'm not gonna comment on the accent.
00:32:53
- The accent.
00:32:54
- I'm not gonna see the deal here.
00:32:55
We need to know what it is.
00:32:58
- That's very good.
00:32:59
- Uh-huh.
00:33:00
- Thank you.
00:33:00
- Mm-hmm.
00:33:01
- Well, merci.
00:33:02
- Derriens.
00:33:03
- Yes.
00:33:04
I feel as though Ilver morning is the, maybe for better forest natural option for a spin off at this point because it's the one that Warner Brothers and the production team have actually invested the most in,
00:33:14
despite not, I expected we would get a shot of Ilver morning.
00:33:18
What it looks like.
00:33:19
- I mean, one of the fantastic piece movies.
00:33:20
After all, two of the core four.
00:33:22
- Oh well.
00:33:23
- Are what you used to be before.
00:33:24
- We're still holding on for the last two.
00:33:25
- For school.
00:33:27
So, don't know.
00:33:28
But yeah, what if we got a spin off series?
00:33:30
I think it would be actually really good to see like Mahatakura.
00:33:34
- I mean, I'm obviously biased.
00:33:36
I want Boba tongue, but I think that, I think that has been off of any of them would be cool.
00:33:42
- I wanna apologize for my accent, by the way.
00:33:44
- It's okay.
00:33:46
I feel give you.
00:33:47
- Thank you.
00:33:48
- I'd want to see maybe Dermstrang.
00:33:50
- I was about to say, you totally give that.
00:33:52
- When Grindelwald was there.
00:33:53
- Oh.
00:33:54
- Young Grindelwald Chronicles.
00:33:56
- Wait, like Gay Wizards.
00:33:58
I love that.
00:34:00
- Gay Dangerous Dark Wizards.
00:34:01
- Yeah, Gay Dangerous Dark Wizards.
00:34:03
Ooh.
00:34:04
- That's probably me.
00:34:05
- In the North, too.
00:34:06
- I can see that selling.
00:34:07
- That would be cool.
00:34:09
- Wait, what about the North?
00:34:10
- Well, no, they're like in the cold.
00:34:12
I don't know, I feel like.
00:34:13
- They need to snuggle up at night.
00:34:14
- No, they are still.
00:34:15
(audience laughing)
00:34:17
- There's only one cold in that ship.
00:34:19
(audience laughing)
00:34:21
- No, I feel like the aesthetic would be really cool of Dermstrang.
00:34:26
I feel like you could totally be like a professor at Dermstrang, like cast in this spin-off.
00:34:33
- Yeah.
00:34:34
- All right.
00:34:34
- Okay.
00:34:35
Mikey, you're next.
00:34:37
- Oh.
00:34:39
- Oh, you're next.
00:34:40
- Just give me again.
00:34:41
It's fine.
00:34:42
- What if the Dementors and Little Winging had successfully performed the Dementors support Dudley?
00:34:50
Dementors kiss.
00:34:51
- Y'all are so dark, dang.
00:34:54
- What if, yeah?
00:34:56
- Dead.
00:34:56
- Dead, dead.
00:34:57
Dudley is dead.
00:34:59
- Dudley is worse than dead.
00:35:01
- Oh yeah, Dudley's soul is gone.
00:35:03
- Here's the thing.
00:35:04
And this is one of the most alarming moments in the series where it's, it comes back to Dumbledore.
00:35:10
I think it really comes back to, that's the weirdest thing about Mrs.
00:35:14
Fake.
00:35:14
We were so, so excited to learn about Aire Bellafig that she was met reference way back in the first book.
00:35:20
The last time something that cool was put in that early in the series, it turned out to be serious.
00:35:25
And then, and you know, I look like that.
00:35:28
That guy's pretty cool.
00:35:30
And then it turned out to be, you know, a woman is a squid, which is not a problem, except she was the only protector for Harry this whole time where if anyone broke through the amazing spell that Dumbledore placed,
00:35:41
the only one who could defend him is somebody who can't even defend it themselves against say instance, a Dementor attack or save Dudley's life.
00:35:49
- But that's only because Mundungus though.
00:35:51
Like because Mundungus was gone.
00:35:53
Like in theory, there was a patrol always there that beyond Mrs.
00:35:58
Fake, like that could help him.
00:36:00
So I mean, if we're honest, there's two what-ifs, right?
00:36:04
Like if Mundungus hadn't left or if someone had been, else had been on patrol, Dudley wouldn't have died.
00:36:09
Or wouldn't have had his soul leave his body, whatever, you know.
00:36:12
Yeah, I just think that it might be better.
00:36:15
You know, Mundungus, everyone knew he was unreliable.
00:36:18
- Right, so he shouldn't have been in the patrol.
00:36:20
- Well, and if you get to the point where Dementor gives you a kiss, you can't really give that back.
00:36:23
No take back, he's on Dementor's kisses.
00:36:25
- Well, no, but, well, no, what I'm saying though, it's like, he would have been able to pass the patrol.
00:36:29
- Yeah, I would have stepped up.
00:36:30
He would have stepped up to the charge and just, you know, expect a patrol.
00:36:34
It was like, very, this is the least likely Mundungus thing to ever do.
00:36:38
But at the same time, yeah, I can see it.
00:36:41
I think, you know, you lose Vernon and Petunia forever.
00:36:45
Eventually, they come over to like, you know, maybe what they did, Harry was wrong or whatever, whatever.
00:36:50
That would never have happened if their prize, you know, son is murdered by wizards.
00:36:54
Harry would not have been able to have their house as a refuge after that point.
00:36:57
I mean, I don't think it would set screw it, you know.
00:37:00
- Absolutely not, yeah.
00:37:01
- Yeah.
00:37:02
So it would have been a lot more precarious.
00:37:04
And who knows, I mean, maybe the last two books would have been even worse for Harry.
00:37:08
And we all are really dark with these what ifs.
00:37:12
- So we'll do one more and Chloe, you should do the honors.
00:37:14
- Clearly, I pick a happy one.
00:37:16
- Just as long as it's not about that one.
00:37:17
- That's gonna be a no, it's not happy.
00:37:19
- What if James love, well, could be happy.
00:37:24
What if James love blocked Voldemort's curse and Harry and Lily survived?
00:37:30
Well, then it wouldn't, we wouldn't have any, it would be never.
00:37:33
(laughing)
00:37:35
- We'd have a positive male fatherly role model in the Harry Potter series.
00:37:40
- I think we already do in James, do we not?
00:37:43
Like James, I mean, unfortunately, we didn't get to see him as a father later on.
00:37:48
- It's questionable.
00:37:49
- Everything he did, what do you mean?
00:37:51
- Well, no, think of all the other men.
00:37:52
Okay, Arthur Weasley, but so much of that feels, you know, broken, you know, Harry could really honor his father's memory in an important way.
00:38:01
I'm not sure, someone's playing a horn.
00:38:02
- That's James.
00:38:03
- Oh, that's James, he's back to get us.
00:38:06
- Yeah, I am, if it was James's love, you know, I suppose it doesn't matter in that Harry was able to find that he was loved and that that was-- - I think it's beautiful in a way that like,
00:38:17
we don't always place as much importance on a father's love, just in society in general.
00:38:25
And I think that's beautiful in a way.
00:38:28
I don't think JKR would ever do it.
00:38:30
- But, well, and I think, you know, part of that motivation of that plotline of Harry Potter was as a result of rolling some involvement with her mother.
00:38:39
- Well, yeah, and being a single mother, too.
00:38:41
- Yeah, so really can't argue or find fault with that, but yeah, it would have maybe completed James's arc, slightly more, except he died protecting his family and his love was, and that's pretty much the same.
00:38:51
- That's the same thing.
00:38:52
- Yeah, he still died protecting his son.
00:38:54
So whether it was James's really his love that technically did it, you have basic of the same book series?
00:38:59
- Well, no, 'cause Lily's around.
00:39:02
So he's not with-- - Oh, well, if Lily was around-- - Not with the dursleys, he experiences real love.
00:39:06
He grows up.
00:39:07
- You know, a wizard.
00:39:08
- Then he never aspires to do anything.
00:39:10
And he's not, you know, he's not that great.
00:39:12
- Well, you could argue that Harry Potter's an average wizard in extraordinary circumstances.
00:39:19
So without those circumstances, would he be just a regular old Hogwarts kid?
00:39:25
- Fair enough.
00:39:26
(upbeat music)
00:39:29
(soft music)
00:39:31
(soft music)
00:39:34
- So, we are now going to move on to an audience interactive segment closing out the show.
00:39:40
- Oh.
00:39:41
- I'm gonna see if I can intro this properly.
00:39:43
(mimicking)
00:39:44
- Hey, 'cause look, you're gonna kick a kick a kick an action.
00:39:47
- Solid.
00:39:48
- That was really good.
00:39:49
- 10 out of 10.
00:39:51
I wasn't sure where that was going, but-- - Oh, you've seen the document?
00:39:54
- No, no, no, I've seen the document.
00:39:56
I meant you-- - Make the connection.
00:39:59
- Okay, okay, okay.
00:40:00
So, the way we play this game is actually, it's audience participation, so whoever has an idea, please come up to the mic at the center of the room.
00:40:08
But we, your beloved panelists are going to have to make the connection between Harry Potter and anything that you suggest that is not intrinsically Harry Potter related.
00:40:18
So, it can be things like make a connection between Harry Potter and attending a meeting that could have just been an email, make the connection between Harry Potter and hearing the ice cream truck rolling down your street.
00:40:30
Like, it's that sort of thing.
00:40:32
And, you know, honestly, the Xenia are the better.
00:40:34
We played this game in Chicago last year and somebody referenced that Dave Matthews band incident where the tour bus did the thing over the Chicago River.
00:40:40
- Yeah, and that he's banned over the Chicago River and them turning at the Chicago River Green.
00:40:47
- Green?
00:40:47
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:48
- Yeah, and hot chocolate.
00:40:49
- There were a lot of really cool connections.
00:40:52
- Just get funky with it, get crazy with it.
00:40:56
Well, we'll try our best.
00:40:57
We're testing our skills more than we do in our kind of improv.
00:41:01
Does anybody have any suggestions for making the connection?
00:41:05
Thank you, somebody's barking on that.
00:41:08
- Also, introduce yourself and like see you.
00:41:09
- Yeah, yeah, let's hear where you're from.
00:41:11
- Okay, I'm C.
00:41:13
J.
00:41:14
Marie.
00:41:15
- Hi, I'm C.
00:41:15
J.
00:41:15
Marie.
00:41:16
- I'm a Griffin door.
00:41:17
- And my make the connection is Travis Kelsey on stage at the Taylor Swift on the surf.
00:41:23
- Oh, this is me, boys.
00:41:24
(laughing)
00:41:25
- And Harry Potter.
00:41:27
- Travis Kelsey on stage at the Ares Tor and Harry Potter.
00:41:31
- Wait, what did he do at the Ares Tor on stage?
00:41:32
- Okay, so he was, I'm sorry, I'm not keeping them up, I guess.
00:41:37
- Context.
00:41:37
- Context.
00:41:39
- He's just the Ares, he's on the stage.
00:41:40
- You know that they're dating.
00:41:41
- Yes.
00:41:42
- Okay.
00:41:42
- And then Travis Kelsey is on the chiefs.
00:41:45
- On the chiefs.
00:41:46
- Yes.
00:41:47
- So Travis Kelsey during one of the Ares Tor's show in London, I believe, went on stage and performed with her and did her set with the torture poet's department,
00:42:02
which is her latest album.
00:42:03
And there's a few songs about him on it.
00:42:06
- And he, so he did the whole.
00:42:08
- No, he did like a little makeup thing and he carried her and it was very cute.
00:42:14
- Oh, so he didn't sing.
00:42:14
Victor Krump dancing with Hermione at the Yule Ball.
00:42:17
Is that?
00:42:18
- That's true.
00:42:19
- Yeah.
00:42:19
- That's true, an athlete.
00:42:21
- An athlete and then, yeah.
00:42:23
- Definitely that works.
00:42:25
I also think.
00:42:26
- The audience really loves that one and I do too.
00:42:30
- Look at you, okay, pop culture.
00:42:32
- But thank you for explaining that essential context.
00:42:34
- Yeah, I said show god's like he's on stage.
00:42:36
- Okay, okay, cool.
00:42:38
Well, that's adorable.
00:42:38
- Travis Kelsey is definitely the Victor Krump of the real world.
00:42:42
(laughing)
00:42:44
- He's just a guy.
00:42:46
- He is?
00:42:47
- In a race, a really sweet like genuine like, and that's the one thing that rereading Goblet of Fire now is something.
00:42:53
- Victor Krump is so cute.
00:42:54
- Victor Krump is actually great.
00:42:56
- Stan is too.
00:42:57
- But.
00:42:58
- Stan is too.
00:42:58
- Yes.
00:42:59
- But yeah, Victor Krump is so cute.
00:43:01
And Travis Kelsey just wants to show her off and that's the other thing like Hermione has never really been like the pretty girl and she gets to be.
00:43:09
So I think that there's a lot to that.
00:43:12
Slay, Micah.
00:43:13
- Glad I could swim in.
00:43:14
- Yeah.
00:43:14
- Proud of you.
00:43:15
- Okay Taylor Swift fan.
00:43:17
- Okay, that one is up.
00:43:18
- Is this Lifty confirmed at Leakeycock?
00:43:20
- Nice.
00:43:22
- That's gonna make the headlines in the SCO.
00:43:24
- Okay, where's our next suggestion?
00:43:25
Oh, we'll do you right next.
00:43:27
- Hi guys.
00:43:28
I have kind of a weird but sort of broad one.
00:43:33
- Let's get it.
00:43:34
- Okay, so I'm Anna, by the way.
00:43:36
- I am.
00:43:38
I remember you from last year.
00:43:39
- Yes, I had the purple people later last year.
00:43:42
This year I'm thinking Harry Potter and a Herod die incident that went wrong.
00:43:48
- Oh, oh, I already know this.
00:43:49
I already know this.
00:43:50
First of all, Ron.
00:43:51
So a Herod die incident that went wrong.
00:43:53
- I heard an incident that went wrong.
00:43:55
- Okay, okay.
00:43:56
- Ron's eyebrow.
00:43:57
One eyebrow is yellow after a mishap in class.
00:44:01
So that's Herod die gone wrong.
00:44:04
Also, the Wonder Witch products are used by everyone pre-yoolball, pretty much all the girls.
00:44:10
So I imagine that they have a Herodipotion.
00:44:13
Lauren, I have talked about this extensively actually.
00:44:17
We would kill for the Wonder Witch products, specifically the Herod die, where you could like wake up in the morning and just like snap your fingers and have a new, like I would have pink hair probably most days.
00:44:29
- That would be cool.
00:44:29
- Right?
00:44:30
So like that is definitely a connection with the Herod die.
00:44:33
Tonks, I mean, Tonks when she's sad can't die her hair, the color that she wants to.
00:44:39
Or she probably can, but she doesn't.
00:44:41
That's also Herod mishap.
00:44:43
- You know what I was thinking of is there's that time where Potunia cuts Harry's hair all over the short in every detainment.
00:44:48
And then he's freaking out about it.
00:44:50
And unconsciously, wordlessly, grows it back overnight.
00:44:54
And I'm like, well, hopefully that skill follows him around.
00:44:57
So if he ever messes up, dying his hair.
00:44:59
- There you go.
00:44:59
- And you just go to sleep nervous and then it'll be fixed in the morning.
00:45:03
- That would be amazing.
00:45:04
You like get a bad haircut and you are like crying, you know, after you leave, you tell your stylist, we're like, yeah, it's great.
00:45:10
And then you cry in your car.
00:45:12
We've all been there.
00:45:13
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:14
- If you like go to bed and then you wake up the next day and you're like, wait a minute.
00:45:18
It's exactly what I wanted.
00:45:20
(laughing)
00:45:21
- Okay, right in front here.
00:45:22
- Hi Nicole.
00:45:25
- Hi Nicole.
00:45:25
- Welcome, welcome.
00:45:26
- I'm just here to do donuts for the first time.
00:45:34
So good.
00:45:35
Maple bacon bar.
00:45:38
That is so specific.
00:45:40
- Seems like something deadly would eat.
00:45:42
- Oh, for sure.
00:45:44
Or something that maybe like the whizzly has come up with like a donut confetti in.
00:45:49
- Yes, yes, yes.
00:45:50
The bizarre flavors that shouldn't work, but do are a staple of the Wizarding World books, including was it Lavender and there was like a, they made it-- - That's Florian Fortescue.
00:46:01
- Yeah, the ice cream.
00:46:02
- That could definitely be a Florian Fortescue.
00:46:05
- I see Florian Fortescue's and that man is so cool.
00:46:07
Did not deserve his fate in the books.
00:46:10
You know, student of history helps her out with his homework.
00:46:13
He gives him free ice cream every half hour.
00:46:15
Amazing guy.
00:46:16
- Yeah, I can see Florian Fortescue getting into sort of that maple bacon.
00:46:20
You know, maybe your ice cream comes.
00:46:21
- Is bacon different in the UK?
00:46:23
- I don't think so.
00:46:25
- That's a jackfruit.
00:46:26
- Oh, 'cause there's like, 'cause bacon is different than Canadian bacon, right?
00:46:28
- Yeah, right, exactly.
00:46:29
- That's right.
00:46:30
- So yeah, wait, is British bacon Canadian bacon or is it American bacon?
00:46:34
We're gonna have to ask Chris.
00:46:36
Well, let's Chris.
00:46:37
Okay, does anybody have another make the game?
00:46:39
Yes, hello.
00:46:40
- Hi, I'm Ali, I'm a slither in.
00:46:41
- Hi, Ali, welcome.
00:46:43
That's okay, we forgive you.
00:46:44
- I think it rocks.
00:46:46
- So I'm a big gymnastics fan, so make the connection between Harry Potter and the balance beam in gymnastics.
00:46:53
- Well, I think Sunilie is probably a witch.
00:46:55
So like, there's no way that she's able to do those moves without having gone to Hogwarts, for sure.
00:47:03
But I mean, I think they kinda do gymnastics when they're being thrown by the wall being willow.
00:47:08
- Like not intentionally, sure, but.
00:47:11
- I also think of how intimidated it was as a kid.
00:47:13
Maybe like, you know, six years old, trying to balance beam for the first time, 'cause we had this really cool gym teacher that was like, here's your whole obstacle course.
00:47:20
It reminds me of Remus Lupins obstacle course for them in the third year.
00:47:26
Didn't they even have tires, the tire thing, where you'd jump in and out and in and out?
00:47:30
Why wouldn't there be a balance beam there?
00:47:31
- I wonder if also like, Quidditch player's train in gymnastics.
00:47:35
You know how football players do ballet.
00:47:38
I'm wondering if like, - Yeah, like bouncing on the broom.
00:47:41
- Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:47:42
I wonder if Ginny's out here like, bouncing on a beam.
00:47:45
Also, Derm String connection, right?
00:47:47
Like they do all their tricks and stuff.
00:47:49
- Yeah.
00:47:50
- They definitely are training.
00:47:51
- That's true, they really do acrobat.
00:47:53
Like, you have to be an acrobat to go to Derm String.
00:47:55
You gotta study.
00:47:56
- New Canon just wrapped.
00:47:58
- Thank you, Allie.
00:47:59
Hello.
00:48:00
- Hi, I'm Jacob.
00:48:03
- Hi Jacob.
00:48:04
- Hi Jacob.
00:48:04
- Harry Potter and Goat yoga.
00:48:06
- That's for you, that's all you base.
00:48:09
- Oh, oh, oh, that is all like, that's the way it's, after retiring from the hogshead, that's what Aberforth opens.
00:48:18
- He opens his own, is Goat yoga.
00:48:20
- Goat yoga place, be sure to Evanesco the mats when you first arrived.
00:48:24
(laughing)
00:48:26
- Just the mats.
00:48:27
- Have you ever done Goat yoga?
00:48:29
- No.
00:48:29
- Oh my God, we need to get you into Goat yoga.
00:48:32
- You know what you guys, I'll do it.
00:48:35
- You'll do it.
00:48:36
- I'll put it on our socials.
00:48:37
- I actually see, all the good stuff is very fun, but I actually see Hippogriff yoga being a thing.
00:48:43
Can you imagine going down to the child's pose?
00:48:44
- They're so big.
00:48:46
- Well, they're big, but they're next to you.
00:48:47
This big majestic beast, say your sandwich between two Hippogriffs, and you know, you're doing yoga, and all of you bow at the same time, and you're in child's pose, and then you imagine a Hippogriff doing yoga.
00:48:57
- Sorry, that happens when you're just- - This is actually, this is unpopular with the audience, and they'll let the record state.
00:49:03
But I think there would be- - Maybe Hippogriff yoga.
00:49:05
- Many magical creatures that might be, you know, more magical than goats.
00:49:11
- Okay, wait, I'm taking your Hippogriff thing.
00:49:13
I'm going further.
00:49:15
You know how people do yoga on horses?
00:49:18
I don't think that's- - That's probably good for them, but you could probably do yoga on Hippogriffs.
00:49:24
You know how the circus, this is a deep cut, but you could do yoga on full-grown Hippogriffs.
00:49:30
- What about now, 'cause you said circus, I'm thinking of hanging from a Hippogriff's talons, like the trapeze artist, and they throw you- - Oh, and they're flipping it onto a pee.
00:49:38
- They're kind of a thing.
00:49:39
- How do I pee?
00:49:40
(laughing)
00:49:41
We've combined it.
00:49:43
Okay, we have two more people.
00:49:44
Let's take both of their suggestions for Make the Connection.
00:49:48
- Right, I am Camden, visiting from Houston, Texas, and this is the important detail Harry Potter and Beyoncé's album Renaissance.
00:49:59
- Oh!
00:50:00
- That's totally true.
00:50:01
- I have some ideas, but I'm curious to know what you say, what you say.
00:50:04
- Oh my God, first of all, I loved- - Let me tell.
00:50:08
- Oh my God.
00:50:09
- Oh my goodness, okay.
00:50:10
Well, Levi's Jeans is probably one of my favorite songs.
00:50:15
- Okay, that's one more recent one.
00:50:17
- That's one more recent one.
00:50:18
- Oh, you're asking for Renaissance.
00:50:19
- Yeah, Renaissance.
00:50:20
- Oh, Renaissance.
00:50:21
- Yeah, Renaissance.
00:50:22
I'm thinking, girl, give me.
00:50:25
- I'm thinking, Renaissance being rebirth and I'm Voldemort with my family, trying to- - Oh my God.
00:50:31
- I love how you're connecting Beyoncé's iconic Renaissance album to everything.
00:50:34
- A Glee little fetus Voldemort.
00:50:38
- That kind of thing.
00:50:39
- That kind of thing.
00:50:40
- Or even her horse called Renee from Renaissance.
00:50:43
- That's true.
00:50:43
- You only see the only thing- - That is true, the festivals.
00:50:47
That's a good one.
00:50:48
I love that.
00:50:49
We were connecting Taylor Swift albums to Harry Potter yesterday and I think we need to do it for Beyoncé next year.
00:50:54
- Yes, I want to.
00:50:55
- No.
00:50:55
- Okay, so we're doing a panel next year.
00:50:57
- No, for sure.
00:50:58
- Okay, I'll see you next year.
00:51:00
Thank you so much.
00:51:01
- Hi, my name's Darya.
00:51:04
I was at the Taylor Swift one.
00:51:06
Oh, I'm a Hufflepuff.
00:51:07
- Love.
00:51:08
- And my connection is between your favorite meme and Harry Potter.
00:51:13
- A favorite meme.
00:51:15
- That's good.
00:51:16
Do we have to say what our favorite meme is?
00:51:19
- Yeah, we don't have to describe it.
00:51:22
- We should at least say what it is.
00:51:23
- Yeah.
00:51:24
- Our favorite meme.
00:51:25
And my favorite meme is a vine.
00:51:28
- That's fine.
00:51:29
- Is that okay?
00:51:30
- Yeah, I think so.
00:51:31
- And it's like a really, it's not like a super appropriate vine.
00:51:34
It's B word.
00:51:36
You're gonna step on my cowboy boots.
00:51:39
B word disgusting.
00:51:41
I don't know if you guys remember that.
00:51:43
But I think probably it's like giving Gilderoy, like 'cause Gilderoy cared so much about his appearances.
00:51:54
And you know he had like the most beautiful set of like boots probably.
00:51:58
And just like, I'm picturing Gilderoy like having a walk-in closet at Hogwarts.
00:52:04
I think the thing is it's like he doesn't have the talent to do an extendable charm.
00:52:08
But in my, like maybe he asked Dumbledore and was like, "Hey, like please, "I need an extendable closet."
00:52:15
And had like the most beautiful array of, like that's the closet I want to probably raid.
00:52:22
So yeah, look that vine up if you're over 18.
00:52:26
Step on my cowboy boots.
00:52:29
B word disgusting.
00:52:32
And that's my favorite.
00:52:35
- I love that.
00:52:36
I love this meme that's like it.
00:52:37
It's an old tweet that I have saved on my computer for many years where it's like a NASA scientist who says, "You're back early."
00:52:43
And the astronaut is like, "Yeah, space has monsters."
00:52:46
What?
00:52:47
And this is like cock shotgun, like space has monsters.
00:52:49
- I'm gonna have to like post these memes.
00:52:51
- This is not believe what you're saying.
00:52:52
- I'm talking about clearly.
00:52:54
- But it's like an urgent last minute unexpected.
00:52:58
Thing, and I can just see it taking place at the Ministry of Magic Horror Office.
00:53:02
Like, "Oh, we bid off a little bit more "than we could chew with exploring the origins "of humanity again."
00:53:08
You know, kind of a thing.
00:53:10
- Okay.
00:53:10
- Can I like that?
00:53:12
- I like really sarcastic baby Yoda memes and I'm trying to think of the connection.
00:53:16
- They constant like sharing to your story of baby Yoda memes.
00:53:20
You've stopped doing it as much, but it's like every other day.
00:53:25
- Yeah, it used to be every other day.
00:53:29
So I'm trying to think of a connection.
00:53:31
- We also post memes, by the way.
00:53:33
Like, not to shamelessly plug us, but we have like sexy memes.
00:53:36
- You should look at it on our pages.
00:53:38
- Baby Yoda.
00:53:41
- I'm looking up these baby Yoda memes right now.
00:53:42
- You're literally, your shirt is a connection.
00:53:46
Star Wars.
00:53:46
- There we go.
00:53:47
- There we go.
00:53:48
Show off your shirt to everyone.
00:53:49
- So, yeah.
00:53:50
- It says, "Use the Force Harry Gandalf."
00:53:54
- So just covered all of them, hit all big three ones.
00:53:58
- And you know, that's a good tie-in.
00:54:00
So when we love multiple fandoms and sometimes when we get some things mixed up, also thank you to everyone who's-- - Yes, thanks for giving us connections.
00:54:08
Those were crazy.
00:54:10
Those were kukukuchu.
00:54:12
- I love that we were able to sustain, you know, conversation about Harry Potter for 60 minutes in the year 2024, and that we were able to even have fun with what ifs and alternate, you know.
00:54:22
- Sorry, I was late, y'all.
00:54:23
- Just know I still love you.
00:54:25
- Just absolutely, well.
00:54:26
But isn't it great just to love things and isn't it great to be in an adventure in such as Likicon, the last Likicon ever?
00:54:33
- But in Chanacon.
00:54:34
- But in Chanacon's coming to really just celebrate our love of things.
00:54:40
That just really feels great to still be up here, to still be given the stage.
00:54:43
We want to thank Melissa for everything that she's done for us over the years.
00:54:47
And we're very excited to be here.
00:54:49
We're very excited to continue talking about that, which we love.
00:54:52
And, you know, I hope you all start by guess and start talking about the things that you-- - Also come say hi.
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