In this episode Caleb has a fun and heartfelt conversation with his wife Hilary. As we come upon the holiday season a lot of emotions arise centered around difficult experiences and difficult people. Hilary opens up about the realities of these two experiences that are common to all humans. Hilary talks about the healthy ways she has found to navigate the grief from losing her mother and forgiveness she has needed to extend to others...all with the infectious joy Hilary is known for!

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