What does it really mean when Christians declare, “Christ is King”—and how does that truth confront the kingdoms of this world? In this episode, Jacob Winograd welcomes Christian anarchist songwriter Ancap Tim, whose new album The State Is a Mafia challenges believers to rethink their allegiance, patriotism, and the nature of true authority. Tim shares his remarkable journey from a “Bush-cake conservative” and Republican loyalist to a libertarian anarchist shaped by Ron Paul’s message of peace and sound money. Together, he and Jacob explore how faith and liberty meet in music, from parodying Billy Joel in We Didn’t Start the Scheming to proclaiming No King But Christ as an anthem of spiritual rebellion against state idolatry.

Their conversation dives deep into how modern churches have blurred the line between worship and nationalism, the corruption of banking and empire, and the difference between coercion and voluntary cooperation. They also unpack the moral roots of pacifism and self-defense, the call to resist through creativity and community, and why living under Christ’s reign now means rejecting Caesar’s counterfeit power. Whether you’re curious about Christian anarchism, the theology behind “Christ is King,” or simply love music that speaks truth to power, this episode is both challenging and inspiring.

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