In Episode 4 of Roots to Fruits, Kelly Williams explains the heartbeat of his debut book, Tiny Hands: The Soft Power Model.

This isn’t a conversation about strategy. It’s about systems that feel.
It’s about fascia, trust, resonance, and why one coherent nervous system can rehydrate the room.

Together, we walk through the Hydration Ladder—a biological and organizational model that maps how flow is lost and restored in teams, companies, and bodies.

We unpack core dichotomies like:
Enzymatic leadership vs. control from fear
Co-regulation vs. co-isolation
Composting grief vs. accumulating residue
Reverberance vs. performance
Mass vs. energy

This episode is for regenerative designers, sustainability leaders, nervous system nerds, and anyone trying to build something alive in a brittle world.

Chapters

• (00:00:00 ) - Roots to Fruits
• (00:01:08 ) - Chris Schaefer on Becoming More Unflappable
• (00:02:53 ) - Tiny Hands: A Soft Power Model
• (00:07:41 ) - Riffing on the Voids
• (00:08:41 ) - The Hydration Valves
• (00:09:36 ) - The Hydration Ladder
• (00:14:14 ) - Meeting the Enzyme and the Real
• (00:19:14 ) - Co-Regulation vs CO isolation
• (00:23:05 ) - Vulnerability vs Fear in Business
• (00:27:32 ) - Composting Grief
• (00:30:44 ) - Reverberant vs Performative Optics
• (00:34:42 ) - On the Performative Side
• (00:37:24 ) - Hard Power vs Soft Power
• (00:41:58 ) - A Lesson on Mass vs. Energy