Phil Johnson spent 45 years alongside John MacArthur—and now opens up about the man behind the pulpit. From private regrets to public faithfulness, this candid conversation explores what made MacArthur the shepherd, not the celebrity.







Segment 1: A Diagnosis, a Death, and Dying Well







• Phil shares his own cancer battle and how it shaped his view of mortality







• Reflects on MacArthur’s final days and the surprising way he spoke of heaven







• What it means for Christians to prepare to die well







Segment 2: The Warmth Behind the Lion • What John MacArthur was really like off the stage







• How he reacted to sudden fame—and why he rejected celebrity culture







• Why pastors should never neglect the pulpit for programs







Segment 3: The Mistakes He Admitted and Corrected







• The two doctrinal errors MacArthur publicly retracted







• Why his view on the eternal Sonship of Christ changed—and why it matters







• What his response reveals about humility and theological integrity







Segment 4: COVID, Romans 13, and the Critics







• Did John MacArthur change his view on church and state during COVID?







• Phil explains how the church stood firm—and what drove the decision







• Why MacArthur never landed in scandal despite decades of controversy







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