On the Friday September 13th edition of Georgia Today: The killing of four people at Apalachee High School last week raises legal questions about parential responsibility; A judge dismisses four counts in the election interference case against Donald Trump; And the Georgia State election board faces more challenges.

Peter Biello: Welcome to the Georgia Today podcast from GPB News. Today is Friday, September 13th. I'm Peter Biello. On today's episode, the killing of four people at Apalachee High School last week raises legal questions about parental responsibility. A judge dismisses three counts in the election interference case against Donald Trump and others. And the Georgia State Election Board faces more challenges. These stories and more are coming up on this edition of Georgia Today.

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Peter Biello: More details are emerging about last week's killing of two students and two teachers at Appalachee High School. Investigators said yesterday the alleged gunman, 14-year-old Colt Gray, carried a semiautomatic assault rifle to school hidden in his backpack. He's been charged as an adult with four counts of murder. Authorities also have charged his father, Cullen Gray, with murder and other crimes based on gross negligence. It's only the second time in the U.S. that such charges have been made against a parent. The first time was in Michigan, where a school shooter's parent was sentenced to ten years in prison earlier this year. The case has raised legal questions about parental responsibility, gun laws and other issues. To help us sort them out. We called Emory University School of Law professor John Acevedo. He spoke with GPB's Orlando Montoya.

Orlando Montoya: It's a well-established principle that sons are not responsible for the sins of their father. How is the father in this case responsible, allegedly for the sins of the son?

John Acevedo: Yeah, that's quite an interesting point to raise. We generally don't like liability, tort liability or especially criminal liability for the actions of the others. I think what makes these cases stand out a bit is that both in Michigan and here in Georgia, the parents actually gave the guns to the eventual shooter.

Orlando Montoya: Is there a law against that?

John Acevedo: So it's interesting. And I think this is what really makes it a fascinating case. There really is no law we can point to that the parent broke. Georgia does not have a secure firearms law. The second also allows you to give guns to persons of almost any age. But there's been a long-standing rule in criminal law that you cannot aid and abet a crime. And now the issue becomes how much knowledge does a parent need to have had that the child might do something like the school shooting to be criminally liable. And that's going to be very fascinating to see. The grand jury may not hold those charges. You know, find them true bill, as the phrase goes, that is that they should go forward. And, of course, a 12-person jury may not convict this father. So it's very fascinating as we go forward to see if folks have the stomach to hold parents liable.

Orlando Montoya: You said there's no law that the parents broke. So what law is the father actually charged with?

John Acevedo: So it's interesting to clarify. What I meant was we don't have a law that says it's illegal to give a minor a gun or it's illegal to not secure your guns so that a minor individual can get hold of them. But we do have a law in Georgia on the books that says if you act in a negligent manner, you can be charged with the deaths that occur from that. So I think the best analogy for your listeners is imagine if a parent gave a minor child, a 14 year old alcohol and the keys to the car and the child then tried to drive and hit a bicyclist or a pedestrian. We would probably charge that father with negligent homicide. They gave the alcohol and the car keys to a 14 year old. This is similar to that you gave the gun to a 14 year old who you again, apparently they're claiming, this hasn't been proven yet, but who the D.A. claims was known to be unstable and fascinated with guns. So that's the idea. That's always been that negligence in behavior.

Orlando Montoya: I want to go back to the interaction in 2023 between the police, the father and the son. The police visited their house and questioned them about alleged threats to the school. What's the legal standard by which the police could have intervened at that time?

John Acevedo: So this was threats made against the son's middle school. It was suspected it was made by Colt Gray. And the center would have been probable cause. So the police needed probable cause that he made the threats to the school and they clearly didn't have it or they would have arrested him or charged him and nothing became of that. So they really lacked that probable cause. And probable cause is fairly low. It's beyond mere suspicion. That is, you have some factual basis, and they couldn't find a factual basis. He denied it. It was made on the Internet anonymously. They couldn't tie the account to him, and therefore there really was nothing they could go on.

Orlando Montoya: How far could the legal system take parental responsibility? I can think of drug offenses, any number of crimes that you could hold parents accountable for. Does this apply to all crimes or just big, heinous crimes like these to the school shootings we've been talking about in Michigan and Georgia?

John Acevedo: We have seen parents charged in drug deaths, in alcohol related deaths. So in many ways, it's a revival. A lot of these cases were back in the 80s and 90s where parents had gave birth to children who were addicted to drugs or where parents who did drugs, their children got hold of them and then died. So we've seen these types of cases before, just never with guns. And that's the big step we're moving up from. Items that the parents are intentionally giving the children which are known to cause harm to a gun, which, if used responsibly, won't cause harm. You can imagine most children who own guns use them for hunting, target practice and never really go shooting when those mass shootings are so shocking because they're so rare. We feel like they're occurring every day. And they may be occurring more frequently than we want, but if we look at your average gun owner, your average gun owner isn't killing people. And I think that's the leap forward here as opposed to cocaine or heroin, for example, which tends to kill a lot of people.

Orlando Montoya: And is it legal for children to own guns?

John Acevedo: It is. So it depends on the state. In most states, the child will not be the official title holder of the gun. The parent will be. And it's going to depend on the type of gun. So, for example, black powder guns tend to be unregulated. Anyone from the Boy Scouts, you tend to learn on black powder or .22s, and that's because those can be possessed easily by children. Shotguns in most states are not regulated at 12 or sold at Walmart. Is that the shotgun? We don't really track the serial numbers of those guns like those. And guns like AR. Handguns. Not black powder, but regular bullet handguns, those we track and those you'll see. It's a huge kind of mess of laws across states and jurisdictions. Some states will allow children at 14 to own guns, some at 16, some at 18 at adulthood. So it really varies by state and it causes mass confusion for that. And it will be interesting to see how that plays into the jurors’ minds. In many ways, we can think of the rust case where gun owners were far more offended by the actions of Alec Baldwin than non-gun owners, because for a gun owner, you kind of were taught very early on you don't aim a gun at someone who pull the trigger. We really should never do it. But if you're going to, you need to personally make sure that it is not loaded, which he failed to do. And similarly, in Michigan, a lot of the folks who were in favor of the prosecution were actually gun owners who felt these parents acted irresponsibly. And were giving all gun owners kind of a bad name. So it will be very interesting to see how this plays out in Georgia as we go forward.

Peter Biello: That was Emory University School of Law professor John Acevedo, speaking with GPB's Orlando Montoya.

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Peter Biello: Funeral services are being held this weekend for a student and a teacher killed in the shooting. Family and friends will gather for a memorial service for 14-year-old Mason Schermerhorn tomorrow in Jefferson and for a funeral service for Cristina Irimie tomorrow in Buford. A celebration of life for Richard Aspinwall was held last Sunday, and a funeral service for 14-year-old Christian Angulo is next Friday. For all of the latest updates on the Apalachee High School shooting, visit GPB.org/news.

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Georgia Lt. Gov. candidate Burt Jones participates in a Republican primary debate, May 3, 2022, in Atlanta. A Georgia state agency said Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2023, that it will name a special prosecutor to consider whether Jones,