
Perfect Chaos • EP 804
Update: 2025-01-27
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The Drama Queens applaud Jana's playfulness in this episode and the chemistry between Chase and Alex on the golf course. Haley’s time at the crisis center stirs a wave of nostalgia in Sophia. Rob jokes about the show’s magical ability to keep characters looking perfect, no matter the chaos. Prison included.
Plus, Joy points out a huge blooper that Sophia and Rob totally missed.
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First of all, you don't know me.
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We're all about the high school drama girl, drama girl.
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All about them high school queens.
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We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl, cheerin' for the right team.
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Hey everybody season eight episode four is we all fall down air date October 5th, 2010, 2010.
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Guys, this is so long ago.
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Okay, the synopsis is as Brooke deals with the mounting financial troubles at Close Over Bros.
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Nathan and Hayley come to a conclusion regarding Nathan's career.
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Meanwhile, Julian begins a new film project while Alex and Chase spend their afternoon together directed by Peter Kowalski, writer, Bill Brown, William Brown.
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Well, thanks.
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I hope you guys watched along with us.
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This was a fun one.
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This was a fun one.
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I can I just go ahead and say though that I literally have laughter and all caps in my notes because we open on Nathan training and James is such a G.
00:03:21
He's just crushing the sports and it I mean making buckets to an instrumental of this has got to be a good life is it why it felt as weird to me as the punk rock over the super emotional last episode like I almost feel like someone's taken our our music syncs and put them in like a like a boggle jar and just shaken up the dice since you see where it lands.
00:03:55
Why was that song for the sports?
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It must have just been a trending song at the time.
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It definitely was but it's it's kind of like they said, Hey, we couldn't get jump around by house of pain.
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But we were able to get an instrumental of good life.
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Yeah.
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They're like, okay, great.
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Yeah.
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Also, cutting to the the credits that Suzy Su Suzy So did, I think, which it was a beautiful rendition, but also why did we just not flip flop them because the energy was there.
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So who knows that energy would have been so much better for 803.
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Yeah.
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I wonder what happens behind the scenes that we don't know about that sets that up like who I mean maybe somebody's got an album coming out that week and it needs to be I don't know.
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I don't know why we should we really do need to have Lindsey Wolfington on this show before it's all over and ask her all these questions.
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Yeah.
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It was such a good opener, but the music feeling mismatched took me out of it.
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And you know, I'll be the first to say maybe that's because we made the show.
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Maybe the maybe the audience didn't really bump on it, but I would actually be really curious from the fans at home if you were like, why this song also.
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Can I say that my first note is a good song and a sweaty James Lafferty working out montage to start the app.
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Sign me up.
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So clearly, I didn't bump on it at all.
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Yeah.
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I didn't know either.
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I didn't notice it either.
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I liked the little American beauty vibe with Creeper Julian in this camera.
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That's what it was.
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American beauty.
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Yes, that was weird.
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I was like does Nathan know Julian's fanning him?
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Why is Julian sort of hiding behind his car, but not completely the whole it felt so weird to me.
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And then later in the episode when he tells Brooke, oh, I'm testing out this new camera.
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I'm like, could we not have done this at the baseball field with the kid where it felt cute.
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And then you see him filming the dad and you go, oh, he's gonna like do this with everybody.
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I guess we'll figure out why.
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Instead, he drives you to the prison without telling you.
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And then as you're coming out, bust out this video camera.
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Wait, doesn't feel me going in.
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God, he's to drive me crazy this stuff.
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Like, it's just why are we doing this?
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Can we not just make it make sense?
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Is there not one person in the room who's just like, can we just, it's not that hard to make it make sense?
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Let's make some slight adjustments.
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Exactly.
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And the blocking, here's the weird thing.
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If if if Nathan was playing at a crowded court, totally makes sense for Julian to kind of be doing his own thing, tucked away recording.
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But Nathan is playing at River Court.
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He is the only person there.
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He is the only car there, which means seeing Julian pull up and be standing there would be incredibly obvious.
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Yeah.
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It would be weird to not acknowledge each other.
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So the fact that the blocking had him kind of like tucked behind his car and it was like, is Nathan aware?
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Why the energy was very like lurker creepy.
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Yeah, it would have made so much more sense to acknowledge each other to make it look like Julian's doing something,
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not stalking people.
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And then you know, even see, you could have seen Nathan kind of get lost in it and then catch himself because he knows his friend is there.
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But but to your point, Rob, it's like, it's the flattest, most open space in all of Wilmington.
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And supposedly he doesn't see a giant old Ford truck and a man who's six three standing there looking at him.
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Like, what are we talking about?
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Yeah.
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Well, he did.
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He must have seen him.
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Julian must have told him, blah, blah, blah, the camera, this program.
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Can I shoot you?
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Sure.
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But then awkward.
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Yeah.
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All it took was the slightest head nod between each other even.
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And you'd be like, yeah, okay.
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Yeah.
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Cool.
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Part of me hates picking this stuff apart.
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But I also feel like, I love the critical thinking aspect of it because so often we, I think it just happens more and more in TV,
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especially for this demographic where it gets a little lazy.
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People are whoever's running the show is just like, it doesn't really matter.
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And the kids are getting used to not having to critically think they're just, they just accept it because everything is a little bit suspended beyond belief in my opinion.
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But I see you happen with my daughter.
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I'm like, well, this doesn't make any sense and she's just like, whatever, it's just TV.
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I'm like, yeah, but it's story, it's storytelling.
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You should make sense that how else are you supposed to be emotionally affected by something if there's this part of your brain?
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That's just like, yeah, but how did it?
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How did you get there?
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And what happened?
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And when it's not that hard to tie up the loose ends, I think we should do it.
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That's my rant.
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Well, I appreciate the rant.
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And I also appreciate that, because listen, there's a weird thing.
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And I think we certainly, we definitely experienced this Rob, like when we first started the show, I think there was a little bit of shock from some of the fans that were like, whoa, you guys point out a lot of things in our great.
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And I never want to seem like we're complaining.
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But what I do appreciate is saying this could be better.
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And in a way, yeah, we're, we're reliving these great memories we all had together.
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But we're kind of film schooling our show.
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Yes.
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Like this is what you do in film school.
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And I do appreciate it.
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And, and what I don't want to do is the thing that the writers would do, which is sort of the role you just played, right?
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Joy being like, well, the assumption is they've talked about this off camera.
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And who cares?
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You don't need to see it on camera because the most interesting thing.
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And that's actually not true.
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That's just lazy.
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Yeah.
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And I like that we're willing to say that and do that.
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And like, I don't know, I didn't go to film school and kind of wish I had.
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And for anyone out there who didn't go to film school either, you're welcome.
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Welcome to class.
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Yeah.
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And pointing out stuff like that isn't, isn't like, isn't like knocking the show as a whole.
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It's not saying we don't like the show.
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It's the same way like when I watch a movie, unfortunately, I notice when a character's glass goes from full and one shot to then empty the next shot and then full again.
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It's like, I can't not notice these things.
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But it doesn't mean like the movie's not good.
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No, it's not the case.
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Also, to be fair, listen, TV's fast and loose.
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And sometimes it can be really lazy.
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Also, there are some days where there are only so many fires you can put out.
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Yeah.
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That's fair.
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And this may have been a day where there was like three more like more pressing fires.
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And by fire, I just mean like a problem.
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And this was the smallest.
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And they were to they didn't have the time for it.
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Yeah.
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Because TV moves so fast.
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You know, it's so ambitious.
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So sometimes it's just like, cool, we have three trash cans and two lids.
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What are we going to address?
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A couple of other things I noticed though, when he flipped that camera, when he turned the recording off, it went to a green light.
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Did you notice that?
00:11:04
Did it.
00:11:06
Yeah.
00:11:06
So it looks like he hadn't been recording the whole time.
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And then when he turned the camera, quote, unquote, off, the green light turned on.
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Although, I guess when you record a red light run, yeah, the red light runs when you record it, why would a green light go on when he turned it off?
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It was a full green light.
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It was so strange.
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Was that supposed to help you make sure you knew you weren't recording?
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Maybe except the green means go generally.
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But I don't know whatever.
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It's just some random thing.
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But the other thing was anybody catch the giant boom behind Nathan's head when he and I are talking in the kitchen, we don't have the frame guys on the left.
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I should have stopped and screen shoted it for you.
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Like when he comes home from having beers with Julian to tell you that kitchen scene.
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Yes, we're standing in the kitchen and it's over his shoulder onto me.
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It's one of my first lines.
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And the rest of the scene is popped in close on my face.
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And you can tell it's because that's the only take they had for whatever reason.
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And there was a boom in the shot.
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And so they had to cut deep into the shot.
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So I was like, Uber close and Nathan was just sort of like his normal, you know, neck up.
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Okay, wait.
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So what's interesting about that scene, I know we're jumping around.
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But I was watching the episode yesterday and my best friend was here.
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And you're at the stove and he like, you know, walks in behind you, puts his bag on the counter.
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And she goes, why do they have joy in like seven inch platform heels?
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Isn't, isn't Hailey pregnant?
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And I said, yeah, and shorts.
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And a jean jacket and a scarf.
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And I said, babe, we all had to wear platforms every day because all the boys were so tall.
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It was the only way they could get us in the two shots.
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And then you walk up to him and she goes, oh my god, look how tiny she still is.
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And I said, yeah, we all like basically broke our feet for nine years because we needed to be in heels all the time.
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Otherwise they come shoot over any of the boys' shoulders.
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And she could not believe it.
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And I was like, yeah, wait a minute.
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You see, oh, I've got the bunion to prove it.
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Don't worry.
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Amazing.
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Hot.
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So hot.
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So I was paying attention to your shoes and I fully missed the boom is the pool boom.
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I may go back and screenshot it for you guys just for the hell of it because it really, I couldn't believe it was.
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I actually rewound it just to make sure that I was seeing what I was seeing correctly.
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Wow.
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Well, testament to you and James because I really liked that scene and I didn't notice it.
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I was I think just I was all in on the ride of you two and the story and I had like normally that that stuff jumps out at me.
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Didn't even notice it.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Good.
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That's good.
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Well, those are those are the only things about the, you know, techno techno for God's sake, Joy.
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Technical.
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Technical.
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What is this happening to me?
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Hey, you're doing great, Joy.
00:14:00
Thanks, guys.
00:14:01
Yeah, that's all I had about that.
00:14:03
Those comments, but there's lots about the storylines here.
00:14:06
Yeah, where do we start?
00:14:08
Where do you guys want to start?
00:14:10
Well, the crisis intervention center feels kind of like a big thing.
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You know, we've we've watched Haley channeling her experiences, finding healthy outlets.
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The journaling gives us very early days, Lucas voiceovers.
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It feels really sentimental.
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And then to see there was something about seeing you at that desk in that crisis center that gave me Haley and the tutor center energy.
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Yeah.
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And it really made me feel nostalgic.
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Yeah.
00:14:43
I thought so too.
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I remember shooting that stuff.
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I thought it was such a nice idea for Haley.
00:14:47
I wonder if she keeps going back to work there because I can't remember what's happening with the storyline.
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I can't remember either.
00:14:54
But I know they used, I'm pretty sure they used that voice at the end, the Irish accent because we're going to meet her and we need to be able to recognize her right away.
00:15:04
Yes.
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I just don't remember why or how.
00:15:07
Yes, I did really love that for Haley.
00:15:09
It seems like a good transition for her since she's not teaching anymore.
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And I don't know what, what is Haley doing right now?
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I mean, I guess she's growing a human being.
00:15:19
Yeah, but you know, you don't really need to be something she's on bed rest or something.
00:15:24
I don't know why she's, I don't know what she's doing because Mia didn't need to just go on tour.
00:15:29
You guys just finished me as album.
00:15:32
Yeah.
00:15:33
She's on tour.
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Maybe, yeah, maybe this is your sort of pause after that big creative project.
00:15:39
Well, and her sister just got shot and her mom just died.
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So yeah, maybe she's just taking a break of life.
00:15:43
And Nathan should be at camp right now.
00:15:45
So you were probably just staying home to hold the fourth home.
00:15:48
Yeah, that's true too.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
00:15:51
So crisis intervention center feels like a nice moment for her to be able to take some time to do some good, do something for the community.
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Keep busy because Haley likes to be busy, but not take up her whole day.
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00:17:48
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00:17:53
I'm going to feed all these mouths.
00:17:55
Oh, fish sticks.
00:17:57
Oh, coconut shrimp.
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I have another observation from my best friend who was here yesterday.
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When you realize it's junk on the phone and you go, hey buddy, Sammy goes, oh, how am I masculating?
00:20:32
And we were heckling.
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And it's like, well, what do you say?
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What do you say?
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And just the hey lady.
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It was so good.
00:20:42
I liked getting Collins voice in there.
00:20:46
I wish we'd gotten to see him in the episode.
00:20:48
But even just having junk come in unexpectedly in that way, it really did give us a moment of levity that I thought was pretty great.
00:20:55
Yeah.
00:20:56
Maybe we get him back soon.
00:20:57
I hope so.
00:20:58
Really miss those river court boys.
00:21:00
Such a good tribe.
00:21:02
I loved the first time we see Victoria in the big house.
00:21:06
She already has an assistant and a zero fear like she already has it all figured out and worked for her.
00:21:14
Of course, she's got the lingo down.
00:21:17
She's got her.
00:21:19
She's got her, yeah, assistant.
00:21:20
That'll be enough, Adele.
00:21:22
Incredible.
00:21:23
I wrote Victorian prison already, already has staff, of course.
00:21:26
Oh, tattoo staff.
00:21:27
Oh, her name's Adele.
00:21:29
So much better than Caliope.
00:21:32
So much, but she's so much better than Caliope.
00:21:35
And somehow, Daphne manages to have this incredible blowout.
00:21:40
Yes.
00:21:40
Like the volume in her hair is perfect.
00:21:43
And she's talking about the quote captains of industry have done their best work while incarcerated.
00:21:51
She's so unfazed.
00:21:53
Unfazed.
00:21:54
Yeah, what else would you expect?
00:21:56
But I do appreciate that on the show.
00:21:59
So penitentiaries and hospitals do not get in the way of good hair.
00:22:05
Oh, yeah.
00:22:05
Never.
00:22:06
Like life threatening trauma.
00:22:07
Still going to have perfectly quaffed hair incarcerated.
00:22:11
Still going to have a beautiful blowout.
00:22:13
Yes.
00:22:14
That's, you know what?
00:22:15
That's where the response.
00:22:17
It's TV kind of makes sense.
00:22:18
Yes.
00:22:19
Yeah.
00:22:19
Like if I'm not going to get a little glamour here, where am I going to get it?
00:22:22
Yeah.
00:22:22
There's several different kinds of shows.
00:22:24
There's the shows where it's really real and raw.
00:22:27
And they're going for a specific look and a vibe.
00:22:29
But that's not what we were doing.
00:22:30
That's right.
00:22:31
This isn't orange is the new black.
00:22:33
We don't need it like have a gritty portrayal of it.
00:22:35
Let's just, you know, keep it light and polite and beautifully blown out.
00:22:38
Yeah.
00:22:39
Victoria wanting the warden to change the color of the jumpsuit.
00:22:43
What I would love to see though is the next time Brooke visits her that ever all the jumpsuits like actually have been changed.
00:22:49
They're all just like a nice Cerulean or something.
00:22:53
Yeah.
00:22:54
It's the only penitentiary that has that has not orange jumpsuits like in the nation.
00:23:01
Yeah.
00:23:02
And it was a pitch.
00:23:03
Something about, you know, mental health and the way colors motivate people.
00:23:08
Like she would have had it researched.
00:23:10
Yeah.
00:23:11
Budgeted, done.
00:23:12
Although maybe we shouldn't be trusting Victoria with budgets given where the end of the episode goes.
00:23:16
Okay.
00:23:18
This is one of those ones that could have been solved in two words.
00:23:23
Student loan.
00:23:24
Like, okay, you lost your money invested in close over bros.
00:23:29
So you're going to tell your kids, she can't go to college.
00:23:32
Why not just take out a student loan and still let her go to college?
00:23:35
Yes.
00:23:36
Semantics for that particular guy's issue agreed.
00:23:42
I just feel like I felt for him.
00:23:44
Like, this is, that is horrible.
00:23:45
This happened to you.
00:23:46
And then this is like what the company did to you.
00:23:48
Terrible.
00:23:49
But I just didn't feel like at the end, I'm like, but you know, you can get a loan.
00:23:54
And she can still like, you don't have to tell her she doesn't, she can't go to college now.
00:23:59
Like, most people can't afford college.
00:24:01
The vast majority of kids can't afford it.
00:24:05
What I really liked about it though, that this guy, I mean, as an actor, I don't know what his name is, but I thought he did really great with that material because that had to have been,
00:24:16
I wonder how many, I thought about how many people came in to read that audition scene and read it, be like angry and bitter and a jerk.
00:24:24
And he really was, I really didn't know where it was going to go.
00:24:29
He was sweet.
00:24:30
And it made the turn of the revelation of what he was there for even more effective.
00:24:36
Well, in the way he's, he would occasionally slip into the past tense.
00:24:40
Like, he think he said, she was, is my daughter, like, she was going to go to a fashion school.
00:24:44
I'm like, yeah, his daughter passed away.
00:24:47
That's what I was worried about.
00:24:48
Did Brooke accidentally kill someone too?
00:24:52
Like, how bad is this?
00:24:54
Victoria, what'd you do?
00:24:56
Yeah, I, I think what was interesting to me about it is at the time, I remember thinking,
00:25:07
wow, God, this is just so sad.
00:25:09
And I liked that it could be really personal and small for Brooke to be met with.
00:25:16
You know, if someone starts talking to you about a crisis that's hundreds of millions of dollars, like, what does that mean?
00:25:24
None of us have ever seen that kind of money.
00:25:26
You know, but to hear this girl whose face you now know lost her college fund, that's, that's an experience and an amount of,
00:25:36
you know, math that I think most of us can wrap our heads around.
00:25:41
We don't need to sit and study the figures and ask a bunch of questions and whatnot to learn.
00:25:46
It's a quick, I get the problem.
00:25:49
And, you know, for her to be met with, this is the real world effect of this enormous business problem.
00:25:58
These hundreds of millions of dollars in all these stores and all these geographies and all these things.
00:26:03
It personalized it really well.
00:26:05
And on the flip side of, you know, being a person who's now been alive for almost 20 more years than I was when we filmed this, I was like, what do you mean you invested all of your money in her college fund in that company?
00:26:17
Who allowed you to do that?
00:26:18
And why would you do that in a, in a clothing company that was essentially raising?
00:26:23
So they're in some version of, you know, the rounds of startup phasing.
00:26:28
Why wouldn't you put money into medical device stock?
00:26:32
And like, I started asking all these questions about how insanely risky this man had been with his own child's future.
00:26:41
And I was like, oh, I'm really, I'm taking myself out of the story here because I want to know why nobody in this supposedly rich older man's life who's old enough to be my dad told him to invest in the S&B.
00:26:53
Like, I was so mad at him for being so reckless with his money and her future.
00:26:59
And I was like, oh, I officially, I'm in a, I'm in a very different phase of life than I was when we filmed this.
00:27:06
I felt the same thing.
00:27:07
And then immediately the next scene is, thank God, because somebody else in the right of the room thought the same thing too.
00:27:13
Maybe it was Bill who was episode has Victoria say, what kind of an idiot invests everything they have in a clothing line?
00:27:19
Exactly.
00:27:21
It was really interesting.
00:27:24
Okay.
00:27:25
I was misguided.
00:27:26
Like, how about you invest your kids college fund money in a college fund?
00:27:30
Yeah.
00:27:31
Yeah.
00:27:31
High yield savings.
00:27:33
That's where it should be.
00:27:35
Also to our friends, we've gone from film school to finance.
00:27:39
You're welcome.
00:27:39
High yield savings account.
00:27:41
If you don't have one, get one.
00:27:43
Yeah, that was, it was silly, but I did to what you were saying earlier.
00:27:48
So the concept of someone who putting a real face to a real problem, I, especially at that age, always thought of investors as like shark tank people,
00:28:02
like people with just so much money.
00:28:04
Yeah.
00:28:05
That they could stand to lose a few, you know, 100,000 here.
00:28:08
They're 50,000 or whatever it is.
00:28:10
It's like, okay, it's just one of many a multi-faceted portfolio.
00:28:15
And it's not that for so many people.
00:28:17
Yeah.
00:28:18
But I, man, I loved this storyline for Brooke.
00:28:21
I was going to say she's come so far, but I think this has always been who, I think this is who Brooke's always been, no matter when this would have happened.
00:28:32
If it was something like this in high school, I think she still would have ultimately done the right thing.
00:28:37
But it's really nice to see, it was just really nice to see it in person.
00:28:42
Like, feel the weight of that of like, yeah, everything that I have and the everything that I own, the confidence of knowing that you can rebuild that there will,
00:28:52
there will always be more ideas, there will always be more opportunities for her.
00:28:57
And to be able to just do the right thing and make that sacrifice like, wow, that really got me.
00:29:05
It was beautiful.
00:29:06
Yeah.
00:29:07
One of the things I liked too.
00:29:09
And I, you know, I remember the whole storyline, obviously, but the details are the things we discover when we watch every week.
00:29:19
I loved that in the midst of this sadness, Julian took her to the Belmore estate to say, I want you to have your fairy tale.
00:29:27
I want you to have this.
00:29:28
I mean, it looks like the Disney castle, but better, right?
00:29:33
Yeah.
00:29:33
And Brooke has wanted this love story forever because she didn't grow up with it, didn't experience it.
00:29:39
It was never modeled for her.
00:29:40
And I liked the actual visual backdrop of her, with her man standing in front of this castle dreaming about their wedding.
00:29:53
And then still that thing percolating for her and she says, is this appropriate?
00:29:59
Is it okay to have this?
00:30:01
And he says, look, when we look back at our wedding, we're not going to remember this.
00:30:05
We're going to remember our wedding.
00:30:08
And she's already nervous about being happy.
00:30:11
And then when she sees this man and she sees how it's affected his family, I like that then she's put in this room and everything's dark.
00:30:23
And she's in this huge leather chair and she looks like a little kid again.
00:30:26
And she has to do this brave thing and she's literally going to give up this kind of fairy tale she built for herself.
00:30:34
Yeah.
00:30:35
And it does take an immense amount of courage.
00:30:39
And oh, I just was like, oh man, because it wasn't even her mistake, but it doesn't matter.
00:30:47
It's, it's, you know, the right thing to do.
00:30:49
And she knows it.
00:30:50
Yeah.
00:30:51
But like Joyce said, I found myself going, this is the right thing to do and like, Brooks, the secret sauce, Brooks, the magic.
00:31:00
This isn't like they developed an app.
00:31:02
And now she has to sell the company and it's like, why I have nothing?
00:31:05
It's like, what made this work was broken her talents.
00:31:08
So again, it's not an easy thing to do.
00:31:10
But you know, she could always start up a new label or she could go design for another really high end like, you know what I mean?
00:31:16
Like she has options.
00:31:17
It's not like all is lost in doing this again, doesn't make it easy, but it does help it make sense.
00:31:24
You know, and I agree with what you said earlier, Joy, the, the, the gentleman who played the dad, I think it is such an easy trap to fall into when you are a guest star with one scene to go big because you want to,
00:31:37
you want to make an impression.
00:31:39
And I bet so many of the auditions were real big and real heated.
00:31:43
But there's such a nice confidence in pulling that back and letting it sort of simmer.
00:31:49
And yeah, he did, he did, you did great.
00:31:52
It was very believable and very effective.
00:31:54
It was nice.
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00:34:48
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00:34:54
They are so cute.
00:34:58
Here's the thing, I know exactly what you're like, are we joking because I have the same.
00:35:05
And yet they're so cute together.
00:35:08
Jana and Steven's chemistry is so great and she managed no matter what they put her in and no matter what creepy,
00:35:19
hyper sexualized scenarios they wrote for her, she managed to act in those scenes like just the sweetest, funniest girl.
00:35:31
Like she gave me such skipper energy.
00:35:33
Remember when Barbie released the kid sister skipper?
00:35:37
Like she, she managed in the tennis skirt with the corset ties and the crop top and the thing.
00:35:44
She just, she was so playful and wonderful and it's such like a, it's such a piece of Jana's energy that she brought and I was like, wow,
00:35:54
watching them manage to be so frickin cute in what was arguably like really icky material.
00:36:03
I wanted to give them a round of applause at the end.
00:36:07
I really enjoyed watching Steven Cluddy in this episode.
00:36:12
I always enjoy watching him.
00:36:15
He's so, he just feels so grounded on screen.
00:36:18
Which is funny because I remember working with him in person if he's got a lot of nervous energy.
00:36:25
There's just a lot of like moving his fingers a lot and he's kind of like bouncing around on his toes a lot and there's just this sense of like whatever is going on internally and it doesn't not necessarily even a negative nervousness.
00:36:40
It's just this sort of like things are percolating and so when the camera goes on the fact that all of that seems to go away and he's just so solid.
00:36:50
He was just there confident chill not not trying to prove anything.
00:36:59
He was like perfect boyfriend material in this episode in particular.
00:37:03
I was super, super crushing on this character.
00:37:06
Love it.
00:37:06
Yeah.
00:37:07
He's hitting some sort of stride in himself and as an actor and I love that you just mirrored her dialogue because I feel like in a way by the end of their golf date,
00:37:20
Alex was sort of saying what all the girls were thinking and it was so sweet.
00:37:24
Yeah, that's cute.
00:37:26
Yeah, they kudos to both of them and especially Jana.
00:37:30
She's, she's a trooper.
00:37:32
She's made a Teflon because no matter how hard they try, it just sort of she just kind of rolls with it.
00:37:38
But yeah, I mean like the outfit.
00:37:40
I'm like, all right, key are sure.
00:37:42
But then I love Pete, but the opening the shot of the, the opening shot of up her skirt.
00:37:48
I was like, how hat on a hat does this need to be?
00:37:51
Like we get it.
00:37:53
Like we, we, it's a visual medium.
00:37:55
We see what you've dressed her in.
00:37:57
Who knows what instructions Pete's getting?
00:37:59
True.
00:37:59
I felt like Pete was always so protective of us, always looking out to try.
00:38:04
So that those kinds of things feel like when something seems uncharacteristic of a person, you're like, okay, what other thing could have happened that would have made him need to do this?
00:38:13
And there were a lot of phone calls coming in from LA.
00:38:16
Yeah, some of the stuff I noticed too, even that shot.
00:38:19
I mean, you know, we have to describe it.
00:38:22
I feel gross describing it.
00:38:23
Imagine having to say to Jana, this is what I need you to do.
00:38:26
But you know, she's standing there with her legs spread apart in this mini skirt and they're shooting up between her legs.
00:38:33
And one of the things I noticed is as the shot moves, they start to get wider and, and kind of pan around.
00:38:40
And I was like, oh, are they trying to do what they've been told, but also get out of it as quickly as they can?
00:38:46
And then even when, I mean, you said it, Rob Kudos to Jana, when she's got to stand there again and bend over and supposedly isn't wearing underwear and all these guys are crashing their golf carts into each other that they didn't,
00:39:02
they only ever shot her from straight on from the front.
00:39:06
Yeah.
00:39:07
Like, I'm sure they were asked to get other angles and they're just weren't any.
00:39:12
And I appreciated that.
00:39:13
And I appreciated even that when she goes around and sits in the passenger seat of the golf cart early on, like somebody told her, oh, put your feet up and cross your feet in front of you.
00:39:24
Because that's how we're going to block you in the shot.
00:39:28
And I, as gross as it was, I could also see little things.
00:39:33
And to your point, maybe I'm projecting because I know how amazing our crew was and how they had our backs then and they still have our backs, you know, now.
00:39:41
But I was like, I feel like I can see some of our people looking out for our people.
00:39:46
And I like it in the middle of it.
00:39:49
That's when like the director gets with the AD and they're like the scene where she bends over, that's the last thing on the docket and we're losing the light.
00:39:58
Sorry, we can't get anymore in.
00:39:59
Oh no, we can't get any more of the shots.
00:40:02
We lost the light.
00:40:03
Sorry.
00:40:03
Yeah.
00:40:03
Sorry LA.
00:40:04
Yeah.
00:40:04
That's all we had.
00:40:06
And those are the things that that's the real boots on the ground and how a crew protects the actors.
00:40:10
There's so many things that go on by the scenes that you guys don't know about.
00:40:13
It's so great.
00:40:14
But I'm really glad we're talking about this because I know that sometimes when we when we have unmasked some of what was really hard and bad, it makes people who loved the show feel really sad because they're like,
00:40:27
oh my god, did I love a painful thing?
00:40:28
Yeah.
00:40:29
But you also loved a thing that was so good and where people showed up for each other and where people would like ride for each other.
00:40:40
And yeah, sometimes we'd have a bunch of guys be like, I guess we're just going to have to lose the light.
00:40:45
So is yeah, I guess I just want to say that because I don't want anyone at home to be like, oh no, it's like, yeah, there's some oh no, but there's so much more hell yeah.
00:40:55
And and that feels special.
00:40:57
Absolutely.
00:40:58
Every community, whether it's a workplace or a school or a group of friends, whatever, there's always some big bad that they're an obstacle or, you know, a person or whatever what the situation is that,
00:41:10
you know, you got to you got to come together and figure out how to how to overcome and protect each other and and it's okay.
00:41:17
So don't look at our show and think it's some sort of completely out of the ordinary situation.
00:41:24
Like we're all facing as as different the little communities that we have all over the place while facing ways that we can band together.
00:41:31
Yeah, and there's always room for improvement, you know, it just happened that on some of our experiences had to do with like morality as opposed to dialogue, you know,
00:41:42
and yeah, and I wasn't hanging that on on pistol pee because you're absolutely right.
00:41:46
He did look out for us a lot and you write the rest of the scene.
00:41:48
There wasn't a single suggestive frame.
00:41:50
Yeah, totally.
00:41:51
I mean, you didn't need to because the dialogue was already like it's it's the way that they banter.
00:41:57
It's so great, but I like at one point I watched like I was watching two good actors make the best of some like tricky lines like when he is giving her a pointer and he goes,
00:42:08
all right, just just keep your head down.
00:42:10
In fact, I wrote it down.
00:42:12
Also, he had an amazing they did a profile shot of the two of them in the cart and Steven's hair looks like the most incredible pompador ever seen.
00:42:21
We I wrote this down too.
00:42:22
I was like Steven's hair looks extra good this episode.
00:42:25
It was it was large and in charge, but he says goes, just keep your head down.
00:42:30
You know how to keep your head down, don't you?
00:42:33
Yeah, but he said it so straight.
00:42:36
He just read it straight.
00:42:38
Like he he sold it as best you could.
00:42:41
And there's another part, too, where it was odd that when she goes like I'm wearing underwear and she bends over and all the guys are so blown away that they crash their golf carts.
00:42:52
And then he has to turn around and go, my girlfriend, as if he's like stoked, but it was again, he sold it.
00:43:00
But when you look at the words, you're like, what?
00:43:04
That's the part of her you're proud of.
00:43:07
Huh?
00:43:07
Yeah, you know, what I what's you're making a great point, Rob, because he didn't.
00:43:12
He didn't sell it like it was written.
00:43:16
The way it was written was, hey, hey, this is what I'm proud of what you're talking about.
00:43:20
But he sold it like a guy who's going, she's, she's wild.
00:43:27
She's brave.
00:43:28
Like she's, yeah, she is, I'm not sure where she's coming from or what her deal is right now or why she's chosen to do that.
00:43:36
But I'm not impressed nor am I embarrassed.
00:43:40
I'm just here for you in whatever state you're in.
00:43:45
And I'm along for the ride and I support you.
00:43:47
That's what I mean by good boyfriend energy.
00:43:49
It was like, yeah, she's doing something really outrageous that would elicit a huge reaction out of most guys.
00:43:58
And the fact that he's just like, nah, he can't really phase me.
00:44:02
Love you.
00:44:03
I mean, he didn't say love you, but you know, that vibe.
00:44:05
It felt so good.
00:44:06
But kind of he did by the end, which is where I want to go.
00:44:09
I thought it was so sweet.
00:44:11
And as much as, you know, you said it, Rob, they had to really make me all out of some scraps in moments of this whole storyline.
00:44:20
When they get to the beat, nearing the end of the game where he says, well, you might not have been in love with any of them, but I bet they were in love with you.
00:44:28
I was like, oh, chase you, love her.
00:44:30
You're falling in love with her.
00:44:32
And they just loved it.
00:44:34
I thought it was so sweet.
00:44:36
And yeah, I like their energy together so much.
00:44:40
This whole thing surprised me because like I said, I had no recollection of them ever being together.
00:44:46
So I just assumed it was going to be like a one or two episode thing and then that he'd get right back with Mia.
00:44:53
But then I was watching this going, oh, they're, they're he's they're courting each other.
00:44:58
Like they're they're playing this slow like they're building a actual real foundation here.
00:45:03
And then the way it ended, it was obviously like things look promising for these two.
00:45:08
The interesting to see where this goes, I do not remember.
00:45:12
By the way, okay, wait, I do have one more note on shots because I wrote this down.
00:45:17
Like Joy, when you talk about how they had to punch in with you and the Haley Nathan stuff in the kitchen, you guys are sitting in the hospital talking and it's so sweet.
00:45:28
And I love the way that in both the clay and Nathan in the hospital and then Julian and Nathan at the bar.
00:45:36
I love that we're getting to see our men be really vulnerable with each other and and have these big conversations.
00:45:45
But they're also having them kind of facing forward because of the way, you know, the bar seats face, the way the hospital bed faces.
00:45:52
It's like sometimes I find it easier to go on a walk with someone and talk about something really emotional rather than sit at the table and do it.
00:46:00
And I was really touched by these emotional conversations between men and there's a moment that I loved so much because you guys are having this chat Rob.
00:46:11
You're in the bed and James is sitting next to you and they punch in on these close-ups and he's got his head lean back on the hospital chair and it's like a bluish color.
00:46:20
You've got your head on your pillow and it's kind of a bluish color and suddenly it looks like you two are in bed together and I was like, wait, like I had grabbed my coffee looked up and I was like, did I miss something and then I was like,
00:46:31
also?
00:46:32
No, no.
00:46:32
You guys are very cute.
00:46:34
And then it pushed back out and I was like, all right, all right, they're just like sitting next to each other.
00:46:39
But I was like, God, there's good.
00:46:41
There's just so much good chemistry between all of you and I I buy that you all love each other.
00:46:49
I buy that when you said, you know, you would have ruined your career and he's like, no, this, like that's just a game.
00:46:58
This wasn't a hard decision for me.
00:46:59
Yeah.
00:47:00
I like that you're getting to say to each other like, I love you so much, my friend and I can't imagine living without you, without necessarily having to like say it.
00:47:10
It feels very, feels very like sweet dude time.
00:47:14
Yeah, the word I had for I wrote was I love the scene between clank, when I love the sincerity and I love that it was just it was just honorable, excuse me, vulnerable,
00:47:24
honest talk and they didn't do the tropey thing of, but then a guy has to make a joke.
00:47:30
Yes.
00:47:30
Hey, I love you, bro.
00:47:31
Don't take it that way.
00:47:33
You know, like, however, the thing that they feel like they need to do with guys where it's like in order to be vulnerable, they also have a couch it in humor.
00:47:41
Yeah, I'm so relieved that they didn't have Nathan go and how would I make any money without you anyway, man.
00:47:47
Like something late.
00:47:48
Yeah.
00:47:48
Yeah.
00:47:48
I liked that you, you two together and him later with Austin, like, everyone's just saying the thing and it's really nice to see.
00:47:59
Yeah, I love that level of maturity and when he tells Julian to say, tell Brooke, don't be afraid of what comes next.
00:48:06
Oh, like, I was just so great at really encouraging and heartening and the fact that he's sitting there and he makes this decision so quickly when Julian talks about baseball and Nathan's like,
00:48:18
baseball, wait, what?
00:48:19
It's like, no, no, no, I'm out.
00:48:21
I got a yeah.
00:48:22
What am I doing?
00:48:23
What am I doing?
00:48:24
And it was almost like he was he was giving himself advice and saying, tell Brooke not to be afraid of the future.
00:48:31
Yes.
00:48:31
Yeah.
00:48:32
It was sort of him kind of girding himself for what he was about to share with Haley.
00:48:37
Yeah.
00:48:38
And speaking of Austin and the the the the perpetual attempted amasculation of Austin, I love I love the whole thing with the bringing flowers,
00:48:50
right?
00:48:50
Because to me, so it's just a sweet gesture at first, flowers, they're beautiful.
00:48:56
I loved that he stops the door and he's like, by the way, I I'm the one who actually picked those flowers out.
00:49:03
And Haley's like, oh, okay.
00:49:05
And then he circles in to beat to actually explain specifically.
00:49:09
I was hoping for these.
00:49:10
I couldn't get these.
00:49:11
I thought these really filled it out.
00:49:12
And I just laughed because I sort of I wondered, is this one of those attempts to make him quirky as opposed to like sexy leading man?
00:49:21
But when I laughed, I was going, but he's so comfortable in himself that it's incredibly it backfired to me.
00:49:28
Completely.
00:49:30
Yes.
00:49:30
That's a dude who is grounded in himself and he's comfortable.
00:49:34
And it just it's pretty awesome that he doesn't care that like how it looks.
00:49:38
He's just like, I'm going to tell you why I love your bouquet and why I picked it out for you.
00:49:43
Yeah.
00:49:43
It's endearing man.
00:49:46
Very totally agree.
00:49:47
He's a master at that.
00:49:48
I love that Austin.
00:49:49
And I've said this about him before.
00:49:51
He always just said exactly what was on the page.
00:49:54
I very rarely remember Austin ever changing a line.
00:49:57
He really always strove to just say what was on the page.
00:50:01
And he, he, oh, he's a master at figuring it out, figuring out how to, oh, they're going to try and amasculate me.
00:50:06
That's all right.
00:50:07
And I know what I'm going to do.
00:50:08
There's a level of confidence it takes to just do what you're going to do.
00:50:12
Say what's on the page, same thing that Stephen did, but you do it from a place of authenticity.
00:50:16
And they can't take him down, baby.
00:50:19
Yeah.
00:50:19
I had a director tell me one time that there's something there was a lot of stuff like going on with the episode was like, it was a tricky thing or something and there was issues.
00:50:28
And I said, what are you going to do?
00:50:29
And she said, I'll get my revenge.
00:50:32
I'm going to shoot their script.
00:50:33
And I love it because it's sort of like Austin going like, I'll get my revenge.
00:50:39
I'm going to say your words, but then it doesn't, it doesn't go the way that whoever thought it was going to go.
00:50:46
No, it makes him more attractive.
00:50:48
Yeah.
00:50:49
Yeah.
00:50:49
And it's something he manages to do so well in those moments.
00:50:53
It's something Jan is managing to do so well.
00:50:56
It's like everyone really has such ownership of their characters, I think at this point.
00:51:03
And I loved to the way he chose to come back in and be like, okay, so here's my thought process because he knew you would appreciate it.
00:51:12
You had said, well, they're the nicest ones.
00:51:13
Of course, they're from Brooke.
00:51:14
And he's like, actually me.
00:51:16
And because you love it, he wants to let you in on his little, you know, thought process, his little secret.
00:51:23
And he talks about it in a very similar way that he talks to Brooke about the camera he's working with and how he's testing it out.
00:51:33
And he's part of this new director program and whatever.
00:51:36
And what I loved about it and what I wrote down here.
00:51:40
And I love that you saw it Rob is I was like, oh, Julian just makes everything into art.
00:51:45
Like that's his job.
00:51:47
He's a director.
00:51:48
He sees everything as something he can make true and beautiful.
00:51:54
Yeah.
00:51:54
And I liked that he brought that energy to this thing that could have been weird.
00:52:01
And he just made it.
00:52:02
He was like, yeah, this is my other art project.
00:52:05
It's great, right?
00:52:07
Julian has big open heart energy.
00:52:10
Like because I think what's also happening in this scene and circling back and telling Haley how he he picked it out.
00:52:17
He arranged this himself.
00:52:18
He's doing two things.
00:52:19
He's saying, one, I care about you guys enough to spend my time creating something beautiful for you.
00:52:26
And two, it's an invitation for Haley to kind of see him and get to know him a little more.
00:52:32
Like it's an invite in, you know, because he could have just walked out the dorm and like, whatever, I'm the one who did it, you know.
00:52:39
But yeah, he's yeah, he's he's he's great.
00:52:42
And speaking of Haley, how about Haley showing up as just the like all-time Hall of Fame sister?
00:52:48
Yeah.
00:52:48
This episode, the Haley Quinn stuff, I thought was awesome.
00:52:53
Yeah.
00:52:53
It's just it's a lot here.
00:52:56
Yeah, Haley's always it's nice to see her go into caretaker mode.
00:53:00
It's a really natural the nurturing is a really natural space for her.
00:53:04
The washing of her hair was very sweet.
00:53:08
Yeah.
00:53:09
Yeah, it's a good space for Haley.
00:53:11
I feel like it was it was good for me too.
00:53:15
I remember shooting a lot of that stuff.
00:53:19
And I feel like I was at my happiest onset when when Haley was in caretaker mode.
00:53:27
It was nice.
00:53:28
There's something about it to the journey that you've been on as a character.
00:53:35
The I think one of the greatest traumas of of people who go through loss, you know, in life or family that is quick.
00:53:44
Like you guys did as sisters with your mom, you know, to find out Lydia was sick and have it be so fast.
00:53:52
It's like a compounded trauma.
00:53:55
And the kind of I don't want to call it a second chance.
00:54:01
That feels maybe a little icky.
00:54:04
But the opportunity to in the face of potentially another loss of that magnitude get kind of a second chance.
00:54:13
Like Quinn winds up being okay.
00:54:16
And you get to not only love her because she's your sister and you want to be there and nurturing is natural for Haley and all these things.
00:54:24
But you get to kind of love her show up for her take care of her cook for her do the things for her that you don't get to do for your mom anymore.
00:54:32
Yeah.
00:54:33
And that you didn't really get much time to do for your mom.
00:54:36
Yeah.
00:54:37
And I should say for her mom, I'm personalizing it.
00:54:40
And now it makes me feel weird.
00:54:41
I'm like, I don't want to put that energy in the world.
00:54:43
But you know what I mean.
00:54:45
Like it would have been meaningful anyway to watch Haley and Quinn go through this experience and Haley Quinn and Clay and Nathan and the whole thing.
00:54:53
But watching it happen after the loss of a mother for me as a viewer made it twice as touching.
00:55:01
Yeah.
00:55:02
I'm glad.
00:55:03
Yeah.
00:55:05
Boom shot aside.
00:55:06
I thought the scene with Haley and Nathan and the kitchen was beautiful and had the same takeaway.
00:55:12
I have a lot of time with scenes with Emma where it's just like they're a great team.
00:55:18
You know, I love that.
00:55:19
Haley's first reaction wasn't, what are we going to do financially?
00:55:23
She was like, is this what you want?
00:55:24
Like she was just checking in with her person.
00:55:27
Yeah.
00:55:27
So it's so great.
00:55:28
And then there's a lot of integrity, right?
00:55:32
Because it's like then we see Brooks signing away all liquidating all of her own personal fortunate assets to pay people back.
00:55:38
It's like, wow, that's integrity.
00:55:40
And then Nathan shows up to claim quins.
00:55:42
And listen, I love the idea behind where you're going, buddy.
00:55:47
I love you trying to be a service for your friend.
00:55:50
But maybe the room covered in four day old dried blood.
00:55:54
Maybe that's a job for a professional.
00:55:56
Yeah, that's not going to come out.
00:55:58
Also, isn't it a crime scene?
00:55:59
It's a crime scene.
00:56:00
There's still police tape on the door.
00:56:02
I was like, I think maybe you're not supposed to do that.
00:56:05
Yeah.
00:56:06
That was one of those moments where I was like, even a Stanley steamer would not get that out.
00:56:11
No, you have to rip up the carpet.
00:56:13
Yeah.
00:56:14
You have to have somebody come in.
00:56:15
You got to sand that door and repaint it like sweetheart.
00:56:20
And and I was so that was one of those moments where again, our crew is so great because whatever mixture they made to put into that rug.
00:56:27
So he could actually start getting the stain out.
00:56:30
Like I watched the stain start lifting.
00:56:32
And I was like, what's in there?
00:56:33
What is in there?
00:56:34
That's not organic material.
00:56:35
And I love the intention behind it so much.
00:56:39
But yeah, what I would have appreciated was like him trying to get it out realizing it's not coming up, feeling overwhelmed and like googling a carpet company and being like,
00:56:51
I need you to come rip out all these carpet.
00:56:54
Like also, could we have gotten a message on Clay's phone or something like, Hey, your house isn't a crime scene anymore.
00:57:00
Like in some, I don't know how they tell you those things, but you're interfering with the crime scene.
00:57:06
That's so crazy.
00:57:07
Yeah, it was it was wild still out there.
00:57:11
Yeah, he did that.
00:57:12
But when I do what why I don't mind it, though, is it also it's like, there's a lot going on.
00:57:18
And he's just trying his best.
00:57:20
Maybe he's not really thinking critically.
00:57:22
He's just like, my buddy's house is a disaster.
00:57:24
I'm going to fix it for him.
00:57:26
Yeah.
00:57:27
Yeah, they don't need to come home to look at this.
00:57:29
No, you just need to buy a new rug.
00:57:31
Get it professionally cleaned or you just recarp it that room.
00:57:34
Yeah.
00:57:34
Yeah.
00:57:35
There are people who do that crime scene cleanup.
00:57:37
Well, and I liked that we all knew and he knew what Quinn was asking.
00:57:43
Yeah.
00:57:44
And we all knew what he was saying.
00:57:46
It's going to be good for you to go back there when you're ready.
00:57:49
And he wants them to go back to the way it was before.
00:57:52
It's so sweet.
00:57:54
It's so lovely.
00:57:55
Yeah.
00:57:56
And what I appreciate it, it was weird.
00:57:59
It was such a big swing because something nobody talks about is the fact that at a crime scene or when there is a medical emergency, the EMTs and police don't clean up.
00:58:09
You know, you see all the gauze.
00:58:12
You see the needles because they probably had to inject you guys with adrenaline.
00:58:16
You know, you see you see the wreckage of them saving your life.
00:58:20
That was very powerful to me.
00:58:22
And then as powerful as it was to be honest about what it would look like in that room after an event like this, then it did the opposite where I was like,
00:58:32
there is no way weeks old blood is coming out of that rug.
00:58:38
And I was like, God, we did so good on the one hand.
00:58:40
And then we just we pushed it.
00:58:43
We knocked it right over with the other, but but it was that's one of those moments where you go, it's the gesture.
00:58:49
It's it's the thing.
00:58:50
And even though I don't ever believe our answer for something that doesn't work should be, oh, it happened off camera, I was like, I have to believe that maybe three minutes after we left him scrubbing,
00:59:00
he called Stanley steamer and the car store.
00:59:04
Because it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like someone cracked their head open.
00:59:08
It's like we were both shot and bled out for like something like 12 hours.
00:59:13
Yeah.
00:59:14
That's so much blood.
00:59:16
So into a carpet.
00:59:17
And then you left four days, if not a week or two.
00:59:20
Oh, yeah.
00:59:21
It's in the floorboards.
00:59:22
Yeah.
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I think we should do honorable mentions and maybe a fan question.
01:00:57
Sure.
01:00:57
Okay.
01:00:58
My honorable mention is going to be sweet sweet Stephen Coletti and Janet Cramer.
01:01:04
Yeah.
01:01:05
They sold the heck out of that.
01:01:06
They made it into a very charming story and it could have not gone that way.
01:01:13
I love that.
01:01:14
I'm on board with that as well.
01:01:16
I was going to say the same and now I'm like, should we toss it up because I know I think I feel like we all said the same last week.
01:01:22
I'm going to give my honorable mention to Victoria's hair in prison.
01:01:26
Just for a little levity at the end of the show.
01:01:29
I want to know what she's using instead of Velcro rollers.
01:01:33
Are there soda cans?
01:01:34
How is she doing this?
01:01:36
It must be.
01:01:37
That's a scene I'd like to see as well.
01:01:39
When we get Victoria and Martha Stewart, we can see the Coke can rollers for sure.
01:01:45
Yeah.
01:01:45
All right.
01:01:46
Do we have a question?
01:01:49
We do.
01:01:50
It comes in from B.
01:01:52
B asks, I have watched seasons one through nine countless times and I've never understood why Haley just stops being a teacher.
01:02:00
In seasons five and six, she's a teacher, gets fired and then just never teaches again.
01:02:05
A lot of work goes into becoming a teacher.
01:02:07
It seems strange.
01:02:08
She just abandoned it as a career.
01:02:10
Why do you think the writers never had her go back and teach?
01:02:14
Wow.
01:02:15
That's a great point.
01:02:17
I guess they forgot or maybe they felt like it just didn't serve.
01:02:23
The story anymore.
01:02:25
They wanted to do other things.
01:02:28
I don't know because Haley's doing a lot of, when did I stop teaching?
01:02:32
I get fired and then what?
01:02:34
Then I started running the record label.
01:02:38
Well, that's the thing.
01:02:40
In season six, when you get fired, it's over such moral ground and wanting to do the right thing.
01:02:47
I would put you off for a while.
01:02:49
Yeah.
01:02:49
And also what a sort of premonition.
01:02:51
Look what teachers in our country are having to deal with all over the place right now.
01:02:55
At the same time, as you're teaching and working on music, and then you're essentially told you can't allow a student to tell their truth and be who they are,
01:03:05
which feels like the antithesis of what a school environment is supposed to be, then Mia needs help.
01:03:12
She needs a producer.
01:03:14
A producer is essentially a teacher.
01:03:16
It's kind of like being a college professor really.
01:03:19
Yeah.
01:03:19
Yeah.
01:03:20
Like a one-on-one, really, just walking her through the ropes.
01:03:23
So in my mind, Haley didn't stop teaching.
01:03:27
She just, she really pursued her greatest passion.
01:03:30
But yeah, I don't know.
01:03:33
Maybe that's why in this episode, the crisis center feels so nostalgic to me.
01:03:38
But it is an interesting point.
01:03:41
Yeah, because you can see like the nurturing she wants to help.
01:03:45
She wants to be a part of helping people and helping them grow into the best versions of themselves or helping in small situations.
01:03:54
And there's always, that's just always who she's been.
01:03:58
So yeah, even though the classroom environment went away, I agree.
01:04:06
I think she was still showing up and doing something to that effect.
01:04:11
Well, and also on a non-creative side, logistically, it is much easier from a production standpoint to have you doing red bedroom stuff where it's just you and one other person versus you in a school that they have to populate with 60 background actors.
01:04:28
Yeah.
01:04:28
Yeah.
01:04:30
And how many issues?
01:04:31
I think they felt like we had been in the classroom for so long.
01:04:34
And I think yeah, because the first four years was all in the classroom and on the basketball court.
01:04:40
And then as we moved on, I think the audience may have wanted.
01:04:45
And I astutely that it is astute that the writers room would have noticed this, that it would be really helpful as a transition point for the audience to still be able to be in the classroom in some way with us as we transition into adulthood.
01:04:59
But I think at some point, it just served its purpose.
01:05:02
Like we had just run through all the storylines that we really could have without interfering too much on the larger group scale.
01:05:09
And I also think there really is the, this is where the sort of personal, professional overlap happens to, you know, you are a musician.
01:05:19
You are an incredible musician.
01:05:21
You were writing music.
01:05:22
You were writing musicals.
01:05:24
You are, I mean, you moved to the music capital of America.
01:05:30
Like you are a musical being in yourself as joy.
01:05:34
And so I also think given all of that and what Haley as a musician allowed us to maintain on the show,
01:05:45
particularly with Peyton leaving.
01:05:48
And you taking over Red Bedroom, that I just think for both the story and your creative inspiration, it made more sense.
01:05:58
Yeah, I think so too.
01:06:00
Yeah, B, thanks for asking.
01:06:02
Great question.
01:06:03
Great question.
01:06:04
Great question.
01:06:04
Interesting.
01:06:04
Okay, let's spin a wheel.
01:06:07
Let's do it, kiddos.
01:06:08
It's so funny when they run this, we get to see like it running through all the, all the different possibilities.
01:06:16
How funny, most likely to win the show survivor to win, not just be a contestant.
01:06:27
Wow.
01:06:27
Victoria Davis.
01:06:28
Yes.
01:06:30
Yes.
01:06:30
One thousand percent.
01:06:32
Yes.
01:06:33
And it would come down to Victoria Davis and Dan Scott and Victoria would get the upper hand somehow.
01:06:39
But for sure, Victoria wins.
01:06:40
Yeah.
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And Dan would beg.
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He'd be like, but, but be like the girl in the Hunger Games and save us both.
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And Victoria would be like, no.
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I love it.
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That's it.
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Okay, next episode, season eight, episode five.
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Nobody taught us to quit.
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I wonder what's going to happen there.
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Interesting.
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