
You Are Not Alone • EP 722
Update: 2024-12-23
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It's the Season 7 finale and the Queens are reminiscing on their trip to the snow! Joy recaps working face to face with an owl, Sophia recalls filming Julian's proposal to Brooke and why the location added so much to it, and everyone wonders whatever did happen to Skills coat?
Plus, all the Drama Queens share a look into their personal lives at the time, and what was really going on with each of them behind the scenes.
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- First of all, you don't know me.
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♪ We all about that high school drama girl ♪ ♪ Drama girl all about them high school queens ♪ ♪ That's forever ♪ ♪ We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl ♪ ♪ Drama queen ♪ ♪ Cheers for the right team ♪ ♪ Drama queens,
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drama queens ♪ ♪ My girl of girl fashion but your tough girl ♪ ♪ You could sit with us girl ♪ ♪ Drama queens, drama queens, drama queens ♪ ♪ Drama, drama queens, drama queens ♪ Hey,
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hey, season 7 episode 22 guys, we're at the end of season 7.
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We made it and I'm also, this made me very emotional.
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- Yeah, yeah, this is a big episode.
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- Oh my gosh.
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- I'm curious to know what the fans take on it was 'cause I like you had such happy nostalgia watching it.
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And I saw I really enjoyed the heck out of the episode.
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And it is a good episode, but I couldn't tell if it was because I just remembered how fond, like I've such fond memories of us doing that trip.
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- Yeah.
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- Hello to Utah, it was a fun.
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- It was okay.
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I'm gonna read us the synopsis so we can jump in 'cause clearly we all have so much to say.
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Friends and listeners, this is almost everything I wish I'd said the last time I saw you.
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It originally aired May 17th, 2010.
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And the show got a lot happens.
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Haley tries to overcome her depression by joining Nathan Jamie and the rest of the gang on a trip to Utah for the premiere of Julian's film at Sundance.
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- Yes, this is nostalgia city.
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You said exactly the right word, Rob.
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And like, oh man, I do think it's so nice.
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I'm just gonna go ahead and say selfishly that I'm so thrilled that we all get to be together for this episode, given the fact that we've all been living on airplanes.
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And like, it's been hard to all get on the show recently.
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And I'm really glad we get to be together for this one.
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Does that perhaps inspire anything you'd like to say, Rob?
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- I mean, listen, I'd be remiss if I didn't say I've noticed there's a lot of chatter about how the three of us can't be on the podcast at the same time.
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And let me just say this gang.
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Here's why, here's why.
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- It's so stupid.
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Sorry, you guys aren't stupid, but the chatter is stupid.
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- Listen, and I, it's noise, it's in the comments.
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And I'm just, but I do want to address it because I feel like it's a lot of people shouting into a vacuum and it can be cleared up quite easily.
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There are three of us.
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One of us has a New York Times best seller and is currently promoting it all over the world.
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- Yes, she does.
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- Another one of us is appearing on a series has like about a trillion other projects going on and is very busy.
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And the third one of us is me.
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So here's the deal gang.
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We try our best to all be on at the same time because believe me when I say it is easier and more fun when all three of us are here.
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But lately, life's been busy, life's been good, and it's just been challenging to coordinate our schedules.
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But here's the good news, today you got all three of us.
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There is no drama, squash it, save the drama for your mom, but there is none and we're gonna have some fun.
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- But Rob, don't you understand that people think everything that happens online is all that's happening in people's lives and that strangers know more about our lives than we do?
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- This is true.
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Also, you know, we are called the drama queen.
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So it's kind of appropriate that people are stirring the drama pot in the comment section.
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'Cause literally, what is a comment section for?
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Either tagging your friends in a funny post they need to see or stirring the pot.
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- Yeah, it's true.
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- Talk about what you're thinking about, what's making you unhappy.
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- No one ever goes, by the way, no one ever goes to a comment section to feel better.
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The only time I ever go to a comment section is either when I want to see someone roasted or because I'm a livid and I need to see what everyone else is thinking.
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- I love that.
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You know what I will say?
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Speaking of a show that was very high drama, something I really appreciated, just 'cause I've never really experienced it before.
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The last gray's episode that I was shooting my days overlapped with the amazing episode that y'all did with Lindsay and Shantelle coming in to talk about the loss of Mrs.
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James.
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And I was like, there's no way they're gonna be able to let me off set, to go jump into this podcast, but it's definitely not gonna happen if I don't ask.
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And so when I got to set that day, I was like, hey, we've been trying to move this around and we're working around everybody's schedules, a yada yada, you know the whole show field.
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I like, I give too much information to the first AD.
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And they were like, oh, we totally get it.
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Camilla and Jessica have a podcast.
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And I was like, yeah, I know, I'm about to go on it.
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And they were like, we do this all the time.
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Let us try to hustle and we'll figure it out.
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Enjoy, thankfully, it was like side-texting you being like, okay, we're at this part.
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Okay, if you can make it in now, we're at this part.
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And I got on the Zoom and Hannah, our producer, I was like, no, I see you 'cause it's still live, but we just got off like six minutes before.
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So I sadly missed the episode, but it's like, for the fans, that's literally how hard we work to try to be here for all of you.
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- Yeah, we're really trying all the time.
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- That was the most depressing text.
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We like, all signed off, everything was fine.
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And then you were like, I'm ready.
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I'm running, I'm running, I'm running to base camp.
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And you were like, oh, cool.
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- We all wept together and it's over.
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(laughing)
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Any who, this episode feels like a way out of the weeping.
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- Yes.
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So I had the distinct pleasure during this episode of watching it with a One Tree Hill fan.
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For fans out there, for anybody out there who has read my book, there's a character in my book, Danielle, who was a One Tree Hill fan, that also got involved in the cult because of me.
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And also became someone who got, who helped to get a bunch of people, including me out of it.
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Like, you can't write this One Tree Hill fan, like rescue's girl from cult.
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- It does sound like a storyline from our show.
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- It does.
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- It does.
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So she was driving through town and Texan said, hey, are you around?
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And so she spent the night in my guest suite upstairs.
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And we woke up this morning and have been watching these two episodes together, which is really fun because she's such a, she's seen the series so many times and is such a super fan.
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And so it was fun to watch and get, you know, you're just saying, I wonder what the fan's thought of this episode because it was so out of time.
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It was out of, well, it wasn't out of time, but it was out of, well, some of it was, I guess, Clankwin, anyway, it was out of our norm.
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- Yeah.
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- And it was fun to watch with her.
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And she had a, she had quite a commentary.
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I wish I had run a tape recorder.
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You would have enjoyed that.
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- I was about to say that's a voice memo.
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I would love to hear.
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- Yeah.
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- I wonder if it was odd for her watching the show with you.
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And there being moments where you were probably surprised because something happened, you forgot.
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And she is witnessing you who was in the show not remembering it.
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Meanwhile, she knows all of it.
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- Oh, yeah.
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Well, she started off the whole thing by saying, oh, wait, I can't tell you that until the next, is it the next episode?
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- Yeah, you're thinking about it.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- Nevermind.
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I watched him back to back.
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I won't say it.
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- Peak behind the curtain, everybody.
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We are recording episodes 722 and 801 today.
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So we'll do our best to not have them bleed into one another.
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But we got two episodes on the brain.
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- But she knew she was just jumping ahead.
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She's like, well, yeah, because blah, blah, blah happens.
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And I was like, stop telling me.
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I don't know, it's gonna happen.
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And she's looking at me like, you were on the show.
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How do you not know what's gonna happen?
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But I love that.
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- I think I purposely put my head in the sand.
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I didn't want to know 'cause I would like to be surprised and then I didn't retain the information.
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But I love this episode.
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- I think that also harkens though to the thing for us of when you do something for conservatively 35,000 hours of your life and then it makes 187 hours of a product.
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Like, of course our memories are blurrier in 35,000 hours than they are for the folks who saw the nice tight 187 with a perfect soundtrack.
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Speaking of a perfect soundtrack, the music in 722, my god, they were crushing it.
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And what I loved so much is that they gave you this really beautiful opening where you see the kind of cognitive dissonance of a joyful life and the experience of depression and that through the sort of sinking moment in the water for Haley,
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you're seeing her whole life and Mumford and Sons is singing, you are not alone in this.
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And they were just coming up.
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That was before Mumford was really who they are.
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- Yeah, but it just hit me so hard.
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It made me want to sob.
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And then the reversal of Nathan going into the water, you know, years and years before after Lucas and you screaming help me and then Nathan jumping in the water to get you.
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I was like, I'm sorry, but this is a really excellent moment for our writing, well done.
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It was beautiful.
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- It was awesome.
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Is there at the top of your head?
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Is there a show with better music than One Tree Hill?
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'Cause it is really consistent at a very high level.
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- You know what I will say?
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The first show I have seen and I love music in general.
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I think a score makes a movie or a series.
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The first music that I've experienced watching a show where I've gone, oh, this feels familiar, is the soundtrack to nobody wants this.
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To Adam Brody and Kristen Bell's show.
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It's like full nostalgia city and there's something about it that reminds me of the way that we used music on our show.
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And maybe it's just this perfect millennial experience of like the iconic backing to the big moments of your life.
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I don't know.
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I wonder if that's really generational for us in particular.
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- I can't think of any other show.
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Certainly not when we were on the air.
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I mean, we cornered the market on that.
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You came to our show to be able to jump into a Coda and experience the emotion of and hear music that you because we were transitioning out of the MySpace Napster world and into the new world of streaming.
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This was all happening over the course of the 10 years of our series.
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So people were still coming to our show to hear new music.
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And Lindsay was out, Lindsay Wolfington was out there hunting it all down, going to see live bands, going to listening to random CDs, getting sent CDs from people she didn't know.
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I mean, I think we made and broke a lot of musicians on our show because of that.
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- Yeah.
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- She crushed it.
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I mean, uncanny how many people she found like on the come up and just Lindsay Wolfington, well done.
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- We really need to have her on this show before we wrap up.
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Yeah.
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- Her hit rates insane.
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- And by the way, to give her some of her flowers, I remember one of the episodes that I directed going out to LA to cut, you know, to do the edit for a few days.
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And I brought Jenny out with me because Jenny thought she might want to be a music supervisor and we went and had lunch with Lindsay Wolfington while we were putting the show together.
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And to your point, going through these stacks of CDs and looking at the way that she saw it, it was very much like watching a choreographer,
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plan, choreography.
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Like it was, it was physical and it, watching her, I could see that she was looking at the shape of an episode and what music would fit that space.
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And I don't know, she's truly like a total genius.
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- 'Cause it's so much more than just dropping in a song that feels good in the moment.
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You want to create, like what you're saying, create an arc that will have callbacks at the end of the episode or other moments that mirror what some characters are going through with different characters and feeling like you're bringing back the same vibe,
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even though you may not use the same song twice.
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I mean, the whole energy of a scene can change.
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She, you know, there's so much control in the hands of the music supervisor to be able to tell the audience how they're supposed to feel.
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- Yeah, we'll say during that opening coat of, with Haley's underwater and we're seeing all of these like sweet flashbacks, it made me realize just how much of the show I haven't seen.
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Like there is so much one tree hill that I am completely unaware of.
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So, you know, maybe drama queen's 2.0 is just us.
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We doing it for my sake, everybody.
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- Honestly, please.
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I want just you, I want the live stream commentary, like when we used to have to do episode commentary and record it live.
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- I want live stream commentary of Rob doing the top 10 hit episodes from the first six seasons.
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I want it so bad.
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- We need Rob and Tyler doing that together.
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That's what I need to see.
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- Oh my God, yes.
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- Because he have musical geniuses.
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That guy, he scored his wife, Megan's film, and he was over at our house the other day, and he was like, oh, do you mind if I just play this really quick?
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It's like the temp tracks.
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He is so talented.
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- Yes.
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- The scores were gorgeous.
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And it's one of those things, like I have, if I really want to like boggle my mind, I think about how a vinyl record works.
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Because truly, it is magic.
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I have no idea how a piece of plastic in an edel traps someone's voice from a different era.
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(laughing)
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- Like either.
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- It's witchcraft, right?
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And watching, listening to his music, I was like, how did you know?
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And he was like, oh, on this one I just, it was so funny when he goes, I thought this one could use, what did he say?
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Like a flute, but I did not play a flute, so I went out and bought one and taught myself.
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I'm like, so the flute on the track is you?
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And he said, yeah.
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I said, like who just goes, oh yeah, I think it could use.
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It was just like, again, different skill set.
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I am, it's all Latin to me, but like you're, it's beautiful sorcery, Tyler.
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- That's incredible.
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- Kudos.
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- It's incredible.
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Have you seen it?
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Have you seen my old ass?
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- No, I'm dying to.
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- You guys, oh my God.
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I mean, the fallout obviously was so brilliant, it took the world by storm to see Megan go from making this film about the experience of a teenager who survives a school shooting,
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to then going to make this on the precipice of change, going to college, what's it gonna be like?
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How do I push myself out of the nest?
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Like coming of age story that is so joyful and so tender, she's my hero.
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Like in this, in the same way Tyler makes music, I'm like Megan, how did you, how do you just make worlds?
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You know, like we step into worlds and we become a part of them, but she makes a whole world.
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I'm, I'm amazed.
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I'm amazed by all of our friends.
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- Yeah, that's probably what's got a new power couple on the way.
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But let's get back to 722.
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Okay, so the, the first thing I noticed, a little peak behind the curtain again for everybody.
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Joy, was your therapist played by none other than our sweet, sweet producer Greg Prange?
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- I didn't see it, I didn't see that therapist.
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I thought it was just on me over his shoulder.
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- We never shoot, yeah, we shoot over his shoulder, but it's, it's Greg's silver hair and that is certainly Greg's voice.
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- Probably, yeah, it probably was.
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I thought I'd been listening to some commentary at the moment, I didn't know.
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But yeah, I was looking at my shoes because everybody keeps writing in about shoes on the couch and I was sitting there with my boots on the therapist to wait couch.
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- I don't know, I'm insecure about it.
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- I'd be like, why did I do that for so long?
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- Yeah, I'm sure it was Greg, that makes sense.
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- I really liked,
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especially because we talked about this before, Rob, this is in the land of things you haven't seen, but Nathan went through a pretty dark time, culminating in like a really scary car accident.
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We obviously had lots of those.
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There was a lot of crying for help he was doing as a young kid, as a teen.
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And it felt like it didn't really get taken very seriously.
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- Yeah.
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- And when we were watching those episodes, Hillary had pointed out that as the mom of a teenage boy of her son was talking that way, like he'd go to therapy immediately.
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- Yeah.
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- And we just didn't have that language then.
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And so I made a note that it's so cool that we did this role reversal where Nathan goes to save Lucas and Haley's screaming.
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And then out of Haley's screaming, Nathan saves Haley.
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And I wrote, and I'd so nice to actually see her go to therapy.
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- Yes.
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- Like, that's right.
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- She's been holding everything up for everybody else.
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And finally just collapsed into it.
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Like, why am I doing this?
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What about me?
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- Yeah.
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And also, it's not selfish to take care of yourself.
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It's actually the most important thing you can do.
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- Yeah.
00:17:07
- And it was so nice.
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Yeah, I think in some ways, to be in a position where you're just taking care of everybody else all the time, it can just be masking.
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And clearly, I think that's what Haley was doing.
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- Yeah.
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- Sure, 'cause if you keep yourself busy with everyone else outside of you, you never have to really deal with what's going on inside you.
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- Yeah.
00:17:29
- I think there was a really cool theme of reconnection in this episode.
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I would say, there was two themes.
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It was, first one was fun, 'cause this episode was just so much fun.
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- Yeah.
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- So fun.
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- Up until that last little teeny poo.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- But it was fun.
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And I would say reconnection.
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'Cause you know, we see, and it begins, it's like Haley reconnecting with herself.
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She's actually going inwards and she's doing the work.
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And it's Haley reconnecting with Jamie and with Nathan.
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Then we see Mouth reconnecting with skills.
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And then we just see all of the friends, like.
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- Broken Julian are reconnecting too.
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I've been like really diving into that.
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- That we kind of started a little bit ago, but they are fully in the throes of it in a great way.
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And then even just, I think my favorite shot might have been, it's a random throw away, like, piece of a scene where it's the four boys.
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I think it's like, I think it's skills, I don't know, skills, Mouth, Julian, me, Chase, maybe.
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It's when we're out in the snow, and we are just running and jumping and falling into the snow.
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- Yes.
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- And it never has a group of grown men looked more like little boys.
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- Never.
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- It's so great.
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- It was like you could see all of our inner, like I even know if it was something that the director Haley instructed us to do.
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Because if you just look, we are just flailing about and throwing our snows in the snow in giggling.
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- Purely.
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It's like they just rolled the cameras and said go.
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And you guys are like, sweet.
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- Yeah.
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- Let's go.
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- It's almost like because Jackson leaps into the snow, you all decide to follow.
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- Which is sort of perfect because this little boy does something and then suddenly all these very tall grown men look like little boys.
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And it made me laugh.
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I wrote bunny leaps because you guys are like hopping and I thought you were gonna fall into like a snow drift.
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There's no drift.
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It's just the ground.
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You want to hit the ground.
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I was screaming laughing.
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It was so innocent, sweet.
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- I loved that.
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I really loved that trip.
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And it was bittersweet.
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I mean, there were parts of it where I, when I was watching Haley watching you guys at the window, that's a lot of how I was feeling in my own real life with everybody.
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And so there were parts of that trip that felt like, when I'm looking back and like, man, I wish I had been in a different place in my life to be able to really enjoy it with everybody.
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But I remember when we walked into the that house, that enormous, I mean, I don't even want to call it a house.
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It was a, it was like a resort.
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- A resort.
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- A resort.
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And I had one moment.
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You guys were off filming something.
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And I remember walking around.
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It was a big empty house and we had rented it out for filming.
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But I think it was for sale maybe.
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And I had a very, very genuine moment in my life where I thought, what would happen if I just didn't go home?
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Like, I just made a bed in breakfast and I stayed here.
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And I just went to-- - Forever.
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- And I just shoot.
00:20:42
But like, I guess I could keep filming, but like, what if I just never went back to where I live?
00:20:48
- Yeah.
00:20:49
- Just stay here.
00:20:50
I was so, it felt so tangible.
00:20:53
And I always feel like that when I think of Park City, because it was so magical.
00:20:59
I had not spent a lot of time in wintery, ski resort, environments.
00:21:05
Had you guys in life?
00:21:07
Is this something that you were used to?
00:21:09
It felt so magical to me.
00:21:11
I started doing these like really special snow trips every president's day weekend with a core group of my best friends when, yeah,
00:21:22
probably when I was like 28.
00:21:23
So right around this time.
00:21:25
- Yeah, yeah, the snow get away.
00:21:29
I mean, we obviously weren't staying and for sale multi-million dollar mansions, we were like cramming into little ski hostile places, but same same ish.
00:21:37
There's something about that cold adventure come back, fire, like cup of ramen thing that is so special.
00:21:47
And, you know, it's interesting you say that joy.
00:21:50
I made my notes for the show.
00:21:52
And then there's something I think about what everyone's been processing together in our little family group over the last couple of years.
00:22:01
There were just all these things I could see in this episode that I didn't know at the time that I know now that gave me that same kind of feeling.
00:22:11
Where I was like, wow, I wish we all hadn't been under so much pressure to like just come to work and be professional because in a way, you wouldn't risk your professionalism to say certain things or gamble on something that you might in your own life.
00:22:31
And so I know it's different, but I know you know what I'm talking about.
00:22:36
Sorry, I'm trying to say this authentically, but also not give anyone's lives away.
00:22:40
But, you know, 'cause there's strangers who listen to this, but you weren't the only person.
00:22:46
You weren't the only person feeling that.
00:22:49
I think we all, I think the nostalgia is partially so special because we're like, man, if we all hadn't been keeping so many things together in our personal lives,
00:23:03
maybe the time could have been, like as personal for us as it looks for our characters, you know?
00:23:10
That's what's weird about it is watching, like watching us experience what we wanted personally to be experiencing with each other.
00:23:21
So it's like though my body has this muscle memory of these great experiences and watching you go, and also I, there were some great moments.
00:23:28
I mean, there are times when the cameras were rolling, it was like this, this is fake, but it's also real.
00:23:34
Like I love these people.
00:23:35
I would go to battle with these people.
00:23:38
I love this crew, but when the cameras stop rolling, there's all these weird personal complicated, like situations and insecurities and things that were just,
00:23:49
we were under a mountain of six, six, seven years of complex issues that how do you, like, love?
00:23:58
- They're not even just our complex issues, right?
00:24:00
It's also the complex issues of your life at home, like you're referring to, that you can't, I guess I just wanna like clarify for people listening 'cause they're probably like, what's the drama?
00:24:10
What's the drama, what was the drama?
00:24:11
It's like, no, no, that's not it.
00:24:13
It's like, the characters are each other's best friends in every sense of the word.
00:24:20
And for us as co-workers and friends and people in this very bizarre, muddled, professional, personal space,
00:24:31
there were parts of our, I'm doing a pie chart for the people at home who can't see me.
00:24:36
They're like parts of the circle where there's best friendship.
00:24:40
And then there's parts of the circle where all these people have things going on at home that they don't feel comfortable to talk about yet.
00:24:46
So we're keeping secrets.
00:24:48
And then there's other spaces where, you know, for professionalism, your acquaintances, but also you really love this person who's your acquaintance, but at this moment you don't share a best friendship and they're in a washing machine.
00:25:00
So they're cyclical at all times.
00:25:02
And they're moving around all the time.
00:25:04
And then you're away together and you're like, I love you so much.
00:25:07
And I also haven't, like I haven't told my mom about this thing I'm struggling with yet.
00:25:12
So I'm certainly not gonna talk about it at work while I'm wearing a hot microphone.
00:25:16
And it just makes the weirdest dynamic 'cause you're like, you're my people.
00:25:23
And also is any of this real, and I think it's real, but what if it isn't?
00:25:26
And it makes you feel so held and also like a complete crazy person.
00:25:32
And it was easy on set when we were in Wilmington.
00:25:35
We had gotten into a routine with it.
00:25:36
So we sort of had configured out, compartmentalized yet where the emotions go at what time and how we, so getting away.
00:25:44
We're now at this weird summer camp version of life and work.
00:25:47
And suddenly it was like the rules don't apply.
00:25:50
But do they, but they don't, but they do.
00:25:53
And so I was feeling all that watching this episode back.
00:25:57
Like there was so much more emotion for me in this episode than so many before.
00:26:02
- There's also a thing where to your point, in Wilmington, when things were overwhelming in your life, you could go home and like watch a movie alone in your apartment.
00:26:12
But we were on vacation for a week together, living together.
00:26:16
And I remember looking at you, trying to be like, I don't know what to.
00:26:20
And being like, oh, you came by yourself.
00:26:22
And you were like, uh-huh.
00:26:24
And we just looked at each other.
00:26:26
And I was like, are we gonna talk about why he's not here?
00:26:28
We're not gonna talk about it.
00:26:29
We don't have to talk about it.
00:26:30
You wanna get something to eat?
00:26:31
Like, and there's 200 people around.
00:26:34
So of course we're not gonna talk about it.
00:26:36
And it's just such a weird, oh my God.
00:26:40
I think about what we survived in the fact that any of us are virtually normal and it's a miracle.
00:26:45
(laughing)
00:26:46
I do remember that.
00:26:48
Oh my gosh.
00:26:49
And then what's crazy is I got, sorry Rob, I feel like we're just like a little couple of hands, just.
00:26:53
- No, this is great.
00:26:54
- I'm trying to get in a word at you, right?
00:26:55
- I love Rob because he's just nodding.
00:26:57
He's like, look at the girls processing their feelings.
00:26:59
So sweet.
00:27:00
This is such good dad energy.
00:27:01
He's so courageous.
00:27:02
(laughing)
00:27:03
He's like, oh, honey.
00:27:05
- Okay, when did we shoot this?
00:27:06
Do we know when we shot this episode?
00:27:08
I get aired in May.
00:27:09
It would have been, we think like February March?
00:27:13
- I can't remember 'cause sometimes we would do the travel episodes a little ahead.
00:27:18
Like we shoot the last episode early so that we could like get the equipment back and then be shooting an episode while they were, you know, figuring all this stuff out.
00:27:27
So I would say this had to be like end of March.
00:27:32
- Okay, so I got pregnant very soon after this.
00:27:37
And what's interesting is, I mean, I ended up leaving anyway, obviously, but I, the marriage in my bad situation.
00:27:46
But yeah, when we got to Utah, I remember feeling so much more free 'cause I got to a point in my life where I was like,
00:27:59
this is something's wrong, something's not working, this is bad, this is like, this is funky.
00:28:04
And I was really fed up with a lot of the stuff that I was going through that I wrote in my book.
00:28:11
But when we got to Utah, I felt so much more like myself and I remember that moment with you.
00:28:19
So just feeling as though I wanted to tell you everything and I wanted to dive in, but I was still torn between the sense of loyalty and being classy,
00:28:32
especially when you're married and you don't want to betray your spouse or your partner.
00:28:37
And it's like how much can I say?
00:28:39
And yeah, that was, it's so interesting that I had that feeling there.
00:28:46
That was a very critical moment in my life where I was like, am I gonna have my marriage?
00:28:50
Am I gonna like just stay here in Utah and open up a bed and breakfast and keep working on this show and just disappear?
00:28:57
And I could have done it.
00:28:59
It was like another crossroads in my life.
00:29:00
Like every moment that I experienced with you guys fed into that very real need that I had to extract myself from a very bad situation.
00:29:11
And so that all that happened while we were shooting this episode.
00:29:15
And if I hadn't gone back, well, I wouldn't have my daughter.
00:29:18
So I'm glad that I did.
00:29:19
But it was, it was a turning point in my life.
00:29:21
- Of course.
00:29:22
I get it.
00:29:23
And I mean, I think about it for you all the time, especially like your Utah was my London.
00:29:30
And like, I didn't know any of those people.
00:29:33
I mean, I die for them.
00:29:34
They're like three of the loveliest humans I've ever worked with.
00:29:37
But I was like, I can't tell anyone what's going on here.
00:29:41
Like, it's not appropriate to bring your stuff to work.
00:29:45
And I think about it in a weird way.
00:29:50
You and all the conversations, I mean, that we've had like about your book and all the other things over the last few months in particular, like made me go,
00:30:01
oh, of course.
00:30:02
'Cause I had this bit of guilt being like, why couldn't I just say it?
00:30:06
Like, why did I try to keep it up for so long?
00:30:10
And it's like, 'cause you're trying to do the right thing.
00:30:12
And you're thinking maybe it's a phase.
00:30:14
And everyone says, you know, don't bring what's hard in your house into your friendships.
00:30:18
Save that for therapy, save it for whatever.
00:30:20
Never tell that's disrespectful to your spouse.
00:30:24
And I don't know, I think when you finally say it, you can think about it and think about it and think about it and think about it and think about it for however long and nobody gets to judge that.
00:30:34
But it's like the minute you say it out loud, you can never unsee it, you can't take it back.
00:30:38
And like, the snowball is on its way down the mountain finally.
00:30:41
- Yeah.
00:30:42
- And again, like, oh, it's the Mumford lyric.
00:30:47
Oh no, I'm gonna cry.
00:30:48
Like, you are not alone in that, in this, you know?
00:30:53
We think we are so often.
00:30:54
- Look at these travel episodes.
00:30:57
Just bring it up all over.
00:30:59
I'm very proud of us, everyone.
00:31:01
- We were so much younger and we, I'll speak for myself, 'cause I relate to what you're saying, Joy.
00:31:08
I very much, listen, in my entire career, if there was one job I could do a doover on, it would be one tree hill.
00:31:17
- Yeah.
00:31:18
- Because now as an adult in this place where I'm in life, I see how much I enjoy the people.
00:31:25
You're a part of it, who at the time, I just didn't really have the ability to connect with the way I can now.
00:31:32
So on this episode, I felt that especially so.
00:31:37
'Cause I was watching what an incredible experience it was and remembering like you're saying, Joy, kind of feeling like I was watching my life through like a window.
00:31:47
You know, like I'm witnessing it.
00:31:50
- You guys were just like having a ball.
00:31:51
Everybody was in it for me, but we were all feeling that.
00:31:55
- Yeah, I was watching it, but I wasn't experiencing it.
00:31:59
And to kind of what we're saying though, it's like, 'cause I didn't have the language back then.
00:32:05
Probably the same way, so if you didn't have the language to maybe ask the question or hold the space, whatever it is you would have liked to have done 10 years ago.
00:32:12
But like, part of the reason everyone I kept at an arm's length is because I didn't know how to talk about what was going on.
00:32:19
You know, and I think that's kind of something that to one degree or another we all were experiencing.
00:32:25
- And not only were we so young, did we not have the language?
00:32:28
We weren't in the time that we're in now 20 years ago where everyone understands the language of mental health.
00:32:36
It wasn't a conversation and we were kids and at work.
00:32:40
Like that day will be burned in my memory forever, like looking at you and being like, I'm gonna try to crack the door.
00:32:48
But then it was like, oh my god, I tried to crack the door and she doesn't wanna open it.
00:32:51
And like, I should not be asking about this at work.
00:32:54
This is so inappropriate.
00:32:56
And it always was the fear of like, we have to be really careful at work.
00:33:01
And I think now we understand how to do two things at once.
00:33:05
- We're human beings, like we are not our work.
00:33:09
Our work is an extension of us, but we have to be human first.
00:33:13
But it's just hard to navigate.
00:33:16
And we just said we were kids.
00:33:18
- And there was none of the quote unquote grownups were modeling healthy behavior.
00:33:24
So in other words, there was no one setting a precedent above us of going, hey, you good?
00:33:30
- Never.
00:33:31
- It was, so it sort of was, it made it easier to just not bring it up.
00:33:34
Or I should say, it made it harder to want to bring things to the surface because no one above us was doing it and showing us that it was okay to do.
00:33:41
- Well, and by the way, if anyone ever did, they got yelled at.
00:33:45
- Yeah.
00:33:45
- So yeah, it's an immense amount of pressure.
00:33:48
And it's just, you learn.
00:33:50
- You have to be professional.
00:33:51
It's, there are millions of dollars riding on you, showing up on time, saying your lines, being emotionally ready for your scene and doing exactly what we're asking you to do.
00:34:01
Millions of dollars, hundreds of jobs.
00:34:04
And it's all on you right now.
00:34:06
So sorry if you're having a hard time in your personal life, go deal with it later.
00:34:10
- Exactly.
00:34:11
- So you get really good at like show up, shut up, and then do the dance when they say action.
00:34:17
- All right,
00:34:30
if we're going to talk about doing the dance, we got to talk about skills, coat, because as I watched your episode, right?
00:34:37
- God, thank God, Rob Brothers back.
00:34:41
- I found myself going, I think I remember that the bit was supposed to be that it was an ugly coat, like it was obnoxious, but I got to tell you, 43 year old me watching this episode was like,
00:34:53
that coat is dope.
00:34:55
I would love to own that coat.
00:34:57
- By the way, same.
00:34:59
And I was like, who managed to get that coat in the wardrobe sale?
00:35:02
'Cause I hope Antoine.
00:35:03
- Like, I really hope Antoine has it.
00:35:06
And if Lee secretly has it in the back of his closet, I will die.
00:35:10
- The shot of mouth dancing in the club with the jacket on and the entire club, all of the women circled around him.
00:35:21
First of all, I loved it 'cause that's just such a funny image, but it also made me laugh like, when does that ever happen in real life?
00:35:28
It doesn't.
00:35:29
It only happens in movies, like unless you're throwing money out, no one in the club is stopping everyone at the same time is stopping what they're doing to just circle around you and cheer you on.
00:35:40
- Yeah.
00:35:40
(laughing)
00:35:42
- Oh, my movies.
00:35:43
- Never.
00:35:44
That's just, it was what it felt like to mouth.
00:35:47
That's how it felt to him.
00:35:48
- Oh, experiencing his experience.
00:35:51
- Wow, okay.
00:35:52
- I don't know.
00:35:54
That's how I see it.
00:35:55
- A sort of premonition for episode 801.
00:35:58
- Yeah.
00:35:59
- Oh, yeah.
00:36:00
- We're in the mental experience.
00:36:03
It's so good.
00:36:04
- That in that club sequence was one of my favorite lines so far of the entire series where Quinn decide she's gonna go dance.
00:36:12
She's like, "I don't know how to go dance and play."
00:36:13
It's like, "Great, I'm gonna sit here and drink."
00:36:15
And then a few moments later, skill walks her back to Clay, and he says, "She was sexy until she started dancing."
00:36:25
And then puts her in her seat.
00:36:28
- She just sits her down.
00:36:29
- It was, I didn't remember it.
00:36:31
It caught me so off guard, but I thought it was so darn funny, man.
00:36:34
- That's so good.
00:36:35
- Your face cracked me up, Rob, and when you were in the club, it was the first shot in the club.
00:36:41
We were walking around and we were seeing Claywander, and you walked past Alex grinding on chase.
00:36:46
- Yeah.
00:36:47
(laughing)
00:36:48
- Yeah.
00:36:49
- It was so good.
00:36:52
I wrote down that look for you.
00:36:55
And then I also love that when skills plops Quinn down, and Sean tell us such a good beat of that physical comedy where she gets plopped down like a rag doll the way children do,
00:37:07
and you just, you deadpan lost the beat.
00:37:11
- Oh, that was so funny.
00:37:13
(laughing)
00:37:14
- I tackled with a whole storyline about her losing things and then lose the beat.
00:37:18
- That's good.
00:37:19
- It was perfect.
00:37:21
I had so much fun watching you in all those club scenes, it was great.
00:37:25
- I had fun shooting those.
00:37:26
I remember shooting 'cause again, it was one of those things where like you said, we're in this bubble, we're all together randomly.
00:37:32
Like we're not normally all together.
00:37:33
And we're all in the same scene.
00:37:35
Everything was just new and different.
00:37:37
But I remember it being a very fun day, like high energy day on set 'cause like most of us were all there, you know?
00:37:45
- Yeah.
00:37:45
- Dancing to music that wasn't on, which is always so much fun.
00:37:49
- I feel like here's my dream right now.
00:37:52
There's gotta be a brand out there that needs a commercial, that they could just send us all back to Utah and we could do like a mini, minute long recreation of moments from the Utah episodes.
00:38:03
So we could all just have like a little bite in time, like a snack.
00:38:07
Just a little snack to recapture emotionally, what we need to really like walk away with in our bones, all the good stuff that we always wanted.
00:38:16
- I feel like that would be so great.
00:38:19
I'm so into it.
00:38:20
- You know what, one moment I think people would not be itching to relive specifically one cast member.
00:38:28
I'm thinking the whole sequence of poor Shantel.
00:38:32
- Oh my God.
00:38:33
- Getting locked out and having to parade around in her bikini.
00:38:38
Listen, I've said it before, I'll say it again.
00:38:40
Monster team player.
00:38:42
You know, she committed, she did it.
00:38:45
But it was the hat on a hat of A, shooting a close-up of her butt as she walked to the table.
00:38:52
- And then you cut back to the close-up of her butt as she leaves.
00:38:57
- Yeah.
00:38:58
- Yeah.
00:38:59
- She was a trouper main thing.
00:39:02
And that's one of those things too, right?
00:39:04
It's like, I mean, look at our friend.
00:39:06
Like she's a supermodel.
00:39:08
At the time, everyone was like, damn girl, like go off or whatever we were saying in 2010.
00:39:15
And obviously the journeys we've all been on together since then.
00:39:19
Like, it made me really sad because I was like, oh, I remember thinking like, this is one of those moments where like, you hear all your friends' moms being like,
00:39:29
if you got it, flaunt it.
00:39:30
Like, you're gonna wanna know what your body looked like at this age someday, like all those things that like the older ladies say to you when they've had three glasses of white wine.
00:39:38
And now watching it, it makes me feel so uncomfortable and so sad for her.
00:39:45
And I'm like, damn, we just like-- - We failed on that.
00:39:49
- Well, just none of us, we weren't communicating then.
00:39:52
We've communicated since.
00:39:55
But I hate it and it makes me so angry and knowing who directed this episode, it makes me so angry.
00:40:00
And she had to go through this whole sequence.
00:40:05
First of all, in the freezing snow, in essentially her underwear.
00:40:09
And act like it wasn't a big deal.
00:40:12
And God bless her, she looked incredible.
00:40:14
But then even the gag about I lose things with you guys, the club stuff is so funny, the key bit, all of it, I get it.
00:40:24
And you have to basically do the exact same scene just you and her in the bedroom.
00:40:29
And I was like, man, she went through it.
00:40:33
She did a beautiful job.
00:40:34
You're right, ultimate team player, but she went through it.
00:40:38
- It felt like it was just a reminder for all the kids out there, all the girls watching the show.
00:40:43
Like hey, just a reminder, men are in charge.
00:40:47
And this is all about what we want.
00:40:49
Like that, you're sitting here watching a fun episode of a teen soap opera to enjoy all these characters and the romance stories.
00:40:57
- And the snowball fights and snowball fights.
00:41:00
But just a reminder, the old guys are in charge.
00:41:03
- Yeah.
00:41:04
And you know what really solidified that for me and made it feel so icky, is when there's that sequence where she walks into the cafe to get the key from you, Rob.
00:41:14
There is a specific shot, like from the center of her body to a close-up on the reaction of a background actor who is absolutely old enough to be her father,
00:41:27
if not older.
00:41:28
And I was like, oh, we're gonna prioritize.
00:41:31
Letting some dude, we don't know.
00:41:34
We're gonna, he's gonna be directed to stare at this woman's ass and we're gonna film it.
00:41:40
- Yeah, how about being directed to be embarrassed and look away, like, oh gosh, I don't want to look at this.
00:41:44
- Like, oh geez.
00:41:46
- I know a lot of guys who would do that.
00:41:47
If I walked into a restaurant in a bikini and there are plenty of older guys that I know who would look up for you a coat.
00:41:54
- Offer you a coat.
00:41:54
- And then look away.
00:41:55
Offer you a coat.
00:41:57
- That's right.
00:41:57
- You know what it is?
00:41:58
It is the equivalent of this recent trend of the ice bucket being dropped in slow motion.
00:42:07
Clay's beer bottle being dropped in slow motion.
00:42:10
It's this really hacky way of hammering home a point that the audience is smart enough.
00:42:17
They don't need to be hammered home.
00:42:19
Listen, Sean tells in the shot, "Everyone can see.
00:42:23
"She's incredibly fit and beautiful.
00:42:25
"You don't need to cut to a third party "who we've never met going, 'Wah, wah, we wah.'" Like, we're all having the same experience.
00:42:33
- It's like loony tunes.
00:42:34
This is like road runner shot.
00:42:36
- It's so dumb.
00:42:37
- And also to your point, why not say key, beat, beat, coat and make, like, you know, or even you could have done it.
00:42:47
You could have handed her the key and then said, and coat, like, you guys could have had a bit.
00:42:52
It didn't need to be, how about an older gentleman walking up and saying, "Dear, would you like my coat?"
00:42:58
She takes it and then looks at Clay and skills and mouth, like, y'all bunch of chumps.
00:43:03
Not why you offered me a coat.
00:43:05
Yeah.
00:43:06
- Dude, how about Clay?
00:43:07
It's your boyfriend.
00:43:08
Are you kidding me?
00:43:09
Are you kidding me if Jenny showed up some place in 20 degree weather in her bikini?
00:43:14
I mean, there's a lot of questions, there's a lot of questions that.
00:43:17
But the first thing I would do would be like, oh, my God, take my coat, you psycho- - Well, the first thing you do is fall on the floor laughing if she looked like that in a hat and a bikini and snow boots and then you'd probably offer.
00:43:29
- Yes, yes.
00:43:30
A coat would be in the equation at some point.
00:43:32
- Yes, of course.
00:43:34
And you know what, you guys manage to make it as icky as it feels to us now.
00:43:39
You manage to make it very hilarious.
00:43:43
- Yeah.
00:43:44
- And that's really hats off to all of you as actors.
00:43:46
It also kind of made me, I guess, them laugh a little more when Nathan Parade's Jamie out of the movie and is like, you open not a sexy and great job.
00:43:58
And I'm like, "Okay, so there, yeah, pull hands."
00:44:00
I'm like, there's a line somewhere.
00:44:02
It's apparently with the seven-year-olds, but like, okay.
00:44:05
- Yeah.
00:44:06
- Okay, we're at least gonna have a boundary, I suppose.
00:44:11
But I like the buddy comedy of that.
00:44:14
Like, the Julian and Jamie buddy comedy is very cute to me.
00:44:19
And then kind of perusing, you know, the scene and then going to the bar and Julian getting a beer and the kid getting a root beer.
00:44:28
And like, I loved that.
00:44:30
- It was all just so cute.
00:44:32
And I like that a seven-year-old like gives attitude to a grown-up and then the grown-up gives it right back.
00:44:37
Like, they're really bloods.
00:44:39
- How about when he says to Chase, he goes, "Who are you?"
00:44:42
And Chase is like, "It's me."
00:44:44
And then he goes, "Whatever, you're no grubs."
00:44:48
- Great.
00:44:48
- That was great.
00:44:49
- Sad.
00:44:50
- Did you catch the peanut snoopy little homage where he is just laying on top of the snow floor?
00:44:57
- It glue.
00:44:58
- Just like snoopy would do on top of the doghouse?
00:45:00
- Yeah.
00:45:01
- I didn't catch that, that's great.
00:45:03
- It was really cute.
00:45:04
- The igloo that they built on set for us.
00:45:06
- Do you remember?
00:45:08
- By the way, I have notes about that.
00:45:10
I was like, "Wait, the igloo was fake."
00:45:13
I remember it being fake.
00:45:14
And then I thought, "Oh my God, of course we did the interiors on set because they could only have one half of it up 'cause they needed to get the cameras on the other side."
00:45:24
And that's why when Hailey says to Brooke, "You don't have to check on me."
00:45:29
And my response to you is, "I'm not.
00:45:31
I just needed some ice for my cocktail."
00:45:33
I had to like scrape the spray, whatever that was, fake snow off the wall, and then obviously not drink it because it's poison.
00:45:43
- Yes.
00:45:44
- And I was like, "God, I hate that we didn't get a reset with like a prop person then being like, "Okay, pause, swap, and do the thing so it looked real."
00:45:53
Like I just did this and then was like disgusting.
00:45:56
And then I never drink it for the rest of the scene.
00:45:59
- I have a question for the two of you because there is a shot in the coda of the two of you in that igloo.
00:46:04
- Yeah.
00:46:05
- And then Quinn enters.
00:46:07
- Yes.
00:46:08
- And then the two of you start cracking up and she kind of looks like embarrassed or something.
00:46:14
And again, it's coda, so there's no dialogue.
00:46:17
Do you remember was it scripted that way?
00:46:19
Or did you guys just did something funny happen?
00:46:22
- I do not.
00:46:23
I remember that the igloo paint was wet and they were like, "Don't get your hair on the wall of the igloo."
00:46:28
And so we just sit like we were leaning against the wall except we couldn't actually lean on it.
00:46:33
That was weird.
00:46:34
- The one thing that I recall, and I wonder if it is what made us laugh.
00:46:37
I think it was probably on the first pass because they have Brookgo check on Haley and then Quinn comes in.
00:46:44
And I remember the three of us being in there for quite some time, which is why it was weird to me that it cut from the two of us to the three of us and then back to the two of us.
00:46:52
But I do remember the first time that Shantelle tried to get in because we sort of had to sit close enough to the entrance that we could establish that we were in the little igloo.
00:47:03
And she obviously has like, you know, legs the length of Heidi Klums and when she tried to get in because she had so little room, one of her legs got stuck.
00:47:12
And it was like, you know, she just like tried to swing and it wasn't enough of like a turning radius for her because she's again a supermodel and Joy and I are short.
00:47:22
And we were like, it was very funny and I wonder if that's what we were, like if that's the scene.
00:47:30
- That had to have been it, right?
00:47:31
- I think it was.
00:47:32
- Oh, that's so good.
00:47:33
I wish we'd actually have shown that.
00:47:35
That's so funny.
00:47:36
- But then what I don't understand is like, why didn't we just keep rolling on the three of us for the rest of it?
00:47:42
Where did she go?
00:47:44
- Yeah, where did she go?
00:47:45
Did she have to go back out to hang out with?
00:47:46
Well, she had to, no, because you guys are back home.
00:47:49
- Yeah, I don't know.
00:47:50
- I don't know.
00:47:51
- No, that might have just been a coat out of order thing when they were editing.
00:47:53
They just pushed it out of order.
00:47:55
- Yeah, they probably liked the way the dolly was moving and we're like, no one will notice and it's like, we all noticed, guys.
00:48:00
- All of us.
00:48:01
- Did you notice?
00:48:03
Okay, there's some bigger stuff we gotta get to, but before we do it, when we're in the premiere of In Julian's premiere, there's a shot shooting towards the audience, right?
00:48:12
- Yeah.
00:48:12
- Or the camera kind of think starts up at maybe the projection booth and it pans down to eventually find our characters.
00:48:17
Before it gets there though, there's this odd thing where there's a girl smack in the middle of frame who appears to be nodding off.
00:48:26
- No.
00:48:27
- And I was, but here's the deal.
00:48:28
She's not fully asleep and she's not drowsy.
00:48:32
She's like actively nodding off.
00:48:34
And I was so confused, like, did the director tell her?
00:48:39
Like, was that supposed to be like, not everyone's liking the film or was it her choice to stand out, but if you go back and watch it, everyone is engrossed in the film, except the one girl square in the middle of the shot.
00:48:49
- No.
00:48:50
- Is like dozing and nodding off.
00:48:52
- Oh my gosh, I missed it because my notes for that was, oh, I love that when we pan down, you see everyone in tears 'cause the movie's so good.
00:49:00
- Yes.
00:49:01
- Like everybody's crying.
00:49:03
And so I missed her 'cause I'm working at all of you.
00:49:06
- Well, there you go.
00:49:09
There's your e-strike to go back and revisit.
00:49:10
- Great.
00:49:11
- Okay, so two things I did not remember happening.
00:49:14
First of all, Haley being pregnant.
00:49:16
I was, that caught me completely off guard.
00:49:19
I don't remember that story at all.
00:49:20
And I didn't realize, I knew this would happen eventually, but that this was the episode Julian proposed.
00:49:26
- Oh no, I totally forgot that too.
00:49:30
- He was so slick with it.
00:49:31
- Right before he put the, he's like, Jamie gave me a gold star, you wanna see it.
00:49:36
And my brain went to, oh, he's gonna, maybe he's gonna give her a ring.
00:49:40
But I wasn't sure 'cause I just didn't remember.
00:49:42
So it was really satisfying.
00:49:44
And your face, Sophia, oh my gosh.
00:49:48
Oh, that was such pure shock and joy.
00:49:51
It was lovely.
00:49:53
It was so, so sweet.
00:49:54
- Yeah, two did such a great job with that scene.
00:49:56
It was so sweet.
00:49:57
And I was really appreciative that they didn't do the thing of leaning into Julian being awkward and goofy.
00:50:04
And they actually just let him have a moment where he wasn't tripping over himself and he was calm and collected because I think it gave the scene so much more weight and impact.
00:50:14
- Yeah, yeah.
00:50:15
- There was no distraction.
00:50:16
It was just about him being in love with you and wanting to marry you.
00:50:19
- Yeah, and what I loved about it for them too is this whole sort of journey that they've been on together broke really having to learn to let her walls down and let someone in even though that's a risk.
00:50:36
Julian having to figure out how to not just be the writer who's writing stories where someone saves the girl, but like a person who's a partner to someone.
00:50:48
The sort of choice to do this, I mean, A in the most beautiful setting anywhere.
00:50:54
Come on, in the Aspen trees in Utah, but out in the quiet.
00:50:59
Like there was something that really struck me watching it all these years later about how these two people have these really busy lives and they've been through all these crazy things and they're in the quietest place and they just get to have this moment alone.
00:51:16
And it gave it this kind of groundedness for me that then when he started talking about how back there, back in the noise, back in the work that everyone says is my identity,
00:51:28
everyone saying the next choice I make is gonna define me my career, my life.
00:51:34
And the next thing I wanted to do is this to leave everything but you and make it about you and me.
00:51:41
I was like, God, the happened stance of Utah being the place we went for this episode gave the proposal so much more weight for me as a viewer than I think it would have had had it happened anywhere we were used to seeing,
00:51:58
you know?
00:51:58
- Yep.
00:51:59
- It was really special.
00:52:00
- Yeah, and that's the helpfulness with the reconnecting too, sometimes.
00:52:06
It helps to just get outside of the regular zone of influence and regular patterns and Haley's reconnecting with herself, with her family,
00:52:16
being able to be out in the quiet, whole owl thing, guys, but that owl was terrifying.
00:52:21
I have pictures of all of us and that owl somewhere.
00:52:24
- Yep, that owl was scary.
00:52:26
I thought one of us was gonna leave with a permanent scar.
00:52:30
- That owl was so terrifying.
00:52:31
And I had to, you know, they bring it out and because I was the one working with it, they were like, we're gonna have a moment, you can have a work session with the owl, so they're gonna put it on your arm and like they had a glove and a whole thing.
00:52:42
And I don't like, I don't scare easy.
00:52:45
My fight or flight instinct is usually fight and I'm a problem solver, I'm a great person to have in a crisis.
00:52:52
Man, I'm telling you, they put that bird on my arm and I was like, this thing is made out of knives and it is going to attack my face.
00:53:01
And I'm just staring at it and it doesn't blink and it's like soulless and I'm like, oh my God.
00:53:07
Or maybe it's got so much soul and I'm terrified.
00:53:10
I don't know what it was, but thank God.
00:53:13
- Watching you tell this story, I'm like, that owl knew you weren't being honest with yourself.
00:53:16
Joy and was looking into your eyes and you hated it 'cause it was staring at you.
00:53:22
- It was mirroring into my soul.
00:53:24
- Yeah, the rest of us would be like, hey, you good and then it would be like beat, beat and you'd be like, yeah.
00:53:29
And we'd be like, okay, see you later and run.
00:53:31
And the owl was like, I'm not going anywhere, little girl.
00:53:34
That's right, I'm not flinching.
00:53:36
- And in the owl's defense, the first thing you said to it when you walked up in the work session was, hey, so how many looks does it take to get to the center of a touchy pop, you know?
00:53:46
So like, obviously that's not what it wanted to hear.
00:53:49
Everyone says that to it.
00:53:50
- Yeah, he's like, stop deflecting.
00:53:52
You're in pain.
00:53:53
You're dealing with things in your life and you need to face it right now.
00:53:56
I'm gonna stare at you with my knife face and my knife hands until you.
00:54:00
- I love that you call it a knife face.
00:54:03
That beak, those talons.
00:54:05
- The talons are scary.
00:54:06
You know what was interesting to me was watching because we'd talked about how this was coming and obviously we'd all had this wild day watching you work with this bird and doing the things even though it looked like none of us were there,
00:54:19
you know, when the scene was being shot.
00:54:21
I remember as you walk up to it, it's sitting on its perch and they had to build the perch.
00:54:27
Like it's a fake, they like took branches off of another tree 'cause they had to bring branches down low enough for you to be able to reach it and then you know, put all the dead branches around it to just make it look like whatever it looked like and you walk up to it.
00:54:42
And then I'm like, well, when does it jump into her hand?
00:54:46
Well, when I'm waiting because I remember you holding it but I realized that was your work session.
00:54:51
- That was the whole time.
00:54:52
- So the whole time I'm watching the scene, I'm like, but when does it sit on her arm?
00:54:56
I remember it on her arm and of course it couldn't sit on your arm without a glove 'cause it would have punctured your bones.
00:55:03
- Yes.
00:55:04
- Oh yeah.
00:55:05
That's like why when you watch the documentary, the staircase and somebody brings up the owl theory, you realize when you're in the presence of an owl, how completely possible that is.
00:55:13
But that's a totally different show.
00:55:15
So it's fine.
00:55:16
- I loved that documentary though.
00:55:17
We need to talk about that.
00:55:18
- You know when you're hanging out with the toddler and they get that crazy look in their eye, where you're like, I'm either about to get hugged or punched in the face and I don't know what it's gonna be.
00:55:27
That was what the owls eyes were like the entire time, except like you said, it's made of knives.
00:55:33
It was terrifying.
00:55:35
- Yeah.
00:55:36
- But I don't wanna forget to say, I love that we got more chase in this episode.
00:55:39
'Cause I love Sweet Sweet Stephen Coletti and I had no recollection of there being a chase Mia Alex - Love trying to make it higher.
00:55:49
- Me or no.
00:55:50
- I know.
00:55:51
And the Alex and Josh friendship developing, this storyline for Paul and Josh, I didn't remember Paul being in Utah with us.
00:55:59
That's how checked out I was.
00:56:01
What I loved so much was the sort of love hate sibling relationship between them developing, having these really sweet conversations that then shift into there.
00:56:09
I can't tell you how much I hate you kind of energy.
00:56:12
- Yes.
00:56:13
- The joke of both Josh and Alex trying to get into Chase's room and it being locked.
00:56:19
(laughs)
00:56:21
- That was so good.
00:56:22
- That was so good.
00:56:23
- That actually might be my honorable mention for the whole episode.
00:56:26
That silly little joke was talked here.
00:56:30
- Great, so great.
00:56:32
- Well done to you, Stephen Coletti.
00:56:34
- You're so handsome that everyone wants to kiss you.
00:56:36
- And I mean, the funniest scene of all, the perfect button on this episode.
00:56:41
Let's talk about Clay and Quinn and Katie.
00:56:44
- Oh my God.
00:56:45
- Can I tell you, here's the weird thing.
00:56:47
I knew that was coming and as I watched the scene, my first thing I thought was when it ended was, why did she leave out of the balcony?
00:56:56
- Here's the deal, I'm not logic checking the scene.
00:57:01
I just meant it was like my brain went, you've potentially killed them.
00:57:05
Why not just walk out the front door there, save yourself a climb, you know?
00:57:10
- Yeah.
00:57:11
- Like the job's done.
00:57:12
No one's gonna stop you there.
00:57:14
- Yeah, you did it.
00:57:16
Maybe she didn't want to touch door knobs.
00:57:19
- Like I said, I'm not logic checking it 'cause there are valid reasons why it was just, my first thought was strange.
00:57:24
She chose to go back out the balcony.
00:57:25
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:27
I had a moment with that.
00:57:28
Also strange that there was no ricochet.
00:57:31
The bullet didn't hit the door, it wasn't on the wall.
00:57:33
There was like nothing.
00:57:34
It just, from that close range, she shot Clay and the bullet just stopped right.
00:57:38
You just made out of steel, man.
00:57:40
- Well, to be fair, have you seen Clay's abs?
00:57:42
- I mean, let me tell you.
00:57:44
- No, you haven't 'cause they're not really there.
00:57:46
Yeah, that was a good, it was a great twist in the sense that you had the entire episode all about happy endings.
00:57:57
This theme of people are the movie, they get the happy ending, really it's getting it, Nailie's getting it, and then it's just, it seems that Clay and Quinn are having it, and then bang,
00:58:07
bang.
00:58:07
- Yeah, it's quite a shock, but I guess that's the point, right?
00:58:15
Is, do you think that maybe the idea in the writer's room was, we're giving everyone their dream.
00:58:24
Brooke says it to Julian when they get home.
00:58:26
Feels like everyone lives happily ever after and he says they do.
00:58:29
Maybe if everyone actually ended the season happy, even though we've been picked up for season seven and eight, which had never happened before, a two season pickup,
00:58:40
maybe they were like, maybe everyone's gonna think this is a series finale.
00:58:43
We really gotta give them something.
00:58:45
- That's what my friend who was staying with me said, when we were watching it, she was like, this one felt like such a series finale.
00:58:51
I remember watching it thinking, oh no, is the show over?
00:58:54
Like everybody's getting their stories all wrapped up, and then we got that twist ending.
00:58:59
- Which is a perfect segue to our listener question.
00:59:02
Heather asks, is it true that the ending of this episode was supposed to be everyone in the snow and it was later changed?
00:59:08
If that's true, why did they change the ending?
00:59:10
I don't know the answer to that question.
00:59:12
- That sounds right.
00:59:13
- And I, I was, 'cause as I thought about that, I thought, do I, I knew I was coming back, right?
00:59:19
And I'm pretty sure Shantel and I knew we were coming back.
00:59:22
I think it was conveyed to us because otherwise that would be a very ambiguous way to end the season.
00:59:28
- But was the show itself, were we not sure?
00:59:31
- No, we were, we were.
00:59:33
Because remember, we got picked up at the end of season six, they picked us up for seven and eight together.
00:59:39
- Wow.
00:59:40
- So, and that had never happened to us before.
00:59:43
And so we knew we were gonna have two years of work.
00:59:47
So I, I, I gotta be honest, Heather, I have no idea, but I don't believe that that is true only because we needed a cliffhanger.
01:00:02
- Yeah.
01:00:03
- The, the ending in the snow, you know, it's just a hill, we'll climb it together that great moment where you know, like our Haley is back.
01:00:11
Would have felt like a great end to an episode, but it wouldn't have been a cliffhanger and we needed one.
01:00:17
So, I guess that's why we get this last act.
01:00:21
- Yeah.
01:00:22
- Yeah.
01:00:23
- Has to have been.
01:00:23
(clapping)
01:00:26
- Honorable mentions, what do you got?
01:00:36
- I mean, we know Sophia's.
01:00:39
- Yeah.
01:00:40
Chase's door being locked.
01:00:43
I know I tried, so did I.
01:00:44
That's mine.
01:00:45
(laughing)
01:00:47
I mean, also Joy used surviving the owl, but that feels like it's yours to take if you want it.
01:00:52
- No, it's okay, like that was fun, but I think my honorable mention will probably be just the Quinn and Haley going for a walk,
01:01:04
like finally, because Quinn was so fine, like Haley's, their mom, Haley Quinn and Taylor's mom dies.
01:01:10
And Haley's the only one that seems to be really having a problem with it.
01:01:14
Quinn's like moving on with life, everything's fine.
01:01:16
She's happy, she's got her gallery, she's like, it's all, like she's not acknowledging it at all.
01:01:20
And there was something about being in the snow and taking that walk, it was like, okay, all right.
01:01:25
So Quinn is like processing it in her own way and they're taking their time together.
01:01:29
And so it felt like something I needed anyway, as a viewer.
01:01:34
- Yeah, I like that.
01:01:35
- I would say, my lighthearted honorable mention is finding out that Alex Duprey's real name is Alice Whitehead.
01:01:42
(laughing)
01:01:43
And my more meaningful honorable mention would be the, your performance joy.
01:01:48
I thought you did a really good job portraying Haley trying to come out from under the wet blanket of her depression.
01:01:54
- Thank you.
01:01:56
- I believed it.
01:01:57
As someone who's been there, I bought it.
01:01:59
- I was, that's how I was feeling.
01:02:01
I was coming out of my own haze.
01:02:03
So in a way, I think it all just worked together.
01:02:06
Spasar, how that all happened, go inside it.
01:02:10
But thank you, I appreciate that.
01:02:13
I really enjoyed that episode.
01:02:15
Lots of visceral memories.
01:02:16
- It was so special.
01:02:17
- We finished our first full season together.
01:02:20
- God, congratulations, Rob.
01:02:22
- Thank you for joining us for a whole season.
01:02:25
- Hey, let me just say, this has been a blast.
01:02:27
Thank you for having me on.
01:02:29
- You wanna keep coming back?
01:02:30
Or are you done?
01:02:31
You all wrapped up.
01:02:32
- Are we gonna pretend that I died like the end of season seven and we'll see if I appear for episode 801?
01:02:37
- He's calling his agent.
01:02:38
He's like, I might be on the bubble, I don't know.
01:02:41
- Yeah, listen, if we weren't recording 801 in four minutes from now, I would be very worried I might be cast.
01:02:47
(laughing)
01:02:48
It'd be great the listener tunes in in 801 at Stephen Coletti.
01:02:50
I actually am recast.
01:02:52
- He didn't test great, Rob.
01:02:53
He didn't test great.
01:02:54
He burned bright, but he didn't last long.
01:02:57
- Okay, next episode, season eight, episode one, sleep at Heaven's Gate.
01:03:02
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01:03:04
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01:03:05
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01:03:07
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