In this episode, we speak with Professor Ion Meyn from the University of Wisconsin Law School. Professor Meyn is currently researching how police departments around the country determine the reasonableness of their use of force. In this conversation, we talk through the reasons why it’s so hard to get justice when a police officer goes too far, what the possible solutions are, and at the very end, Professor Meyn offers us all a glimpse of hope and a path out of the mess we’re in. Check out our further reading and resources below, and we hope you enjoy listening to the show!

Further Reading & Resources

• Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind


• Malcolm Gladwell, Talking to Strangers


• Graham v. O'Connor case

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