DiscoverReligion on the MindPowerful Men & Their Terrible Fathers (#351)
Powerful Men & Their Terrible Fathers (#351)

Powerful Men & Their Terrible Fathers (#351)

Update: 2025-09-22
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Attention YHP Listeners: Starting in October, the podcast You Have Permission will change its name to Religion on the Mind. This rebrand will come with new artwork and focus more broadly on the overlap of Psychology, Religion & Spirituality. We look forward to telling you more in the coming days… stay tuned!




I sit down with previous guest Matt Naylor from the Milkless podcast to explore a disturbing pattern he discovered through a simple Google experiment: searching for public figures known for embracing violence and cruelty, then adding "father" to see what emerges. From Elon Musk to Joe Rogan to JD Vance, the batting average for abuse, abandonment, and alcoholism is striking. 


We dig into the neuroscience behind early childhood attachment, examining how those first six months of life literally wire our brains for how we perceive safety in the world. Matt shares research on rat mothers who groom their babies differently and how those early experiences shape everything from stress response to longevity—findings that translate directly to human development. We explore the unique roles fathers play in transmitting worldview and values, diving into attachment research that shows father-child relationships are particularly crucial for managing externalizing behaviors like aggression and rule-breaking. 


The conversation takes a personal turn as Matt reflects on his own family history and his determination to raise daughters who see the world as an enchanted place full of wonder rather than a threatening landscape requiring constant vigilance. The episode weaves together cutting-edge brain science, attachment theory, and deeply personal reflection on what it means to be a father in an increasingly polarized world.


Take It Offline Question: What things do you find that you feel in your body about the world that don't line up with the way you wish you felt about the world?




Milkless Podcast




Child-father attachment and behavior problems (NIH)




Christian Century interview with Vern Bengston about fathers and religious transmission to children


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Powerful Men & Their Terrible Fathers (#351)

Powerful Men & Their Terrible Fathers (#351)

Dan Koch