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Welcome to what was a so-so match day four of the Premier League off the back of the first international break of the season.

Plenty to discuss.

There was the Manchester Derby. Liverpool inexplicably are a perfect four from four, without looking convincing in any game thus far.

Ange is back just as Levy leaves the league, but Arsenal make it a miserable return to the dugout for the reigning Europa League winning manager.

Also, the bin juice game of the week and some, nay many, could have been the one in an oddly low scoring weekend.

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