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The conversation explores the concept of progress as the only goal and how it applies to athletes, specifically in the context of basketball. I ask him how hoopers can manage the ebbs and flows of games, staying grounded in the middle of games, and the role of visualization, meditation, and self talk in enhancing performance. I get the details of how meditation in helping athletes achieve a flow state and the importance of progressive overload in meditation practice. The conversation emphasizes the need for athletes to embrace both success and failure as learning opportunities and to find ways to reset and refocus during games. 

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