In this episode we discuss:

• John's history in art and simulation


• Whitney's career in art and how she came to Feral File


• The story of Western Flag becoming tokenized & John's decision to make NFTs


• Reconciling the ecological cost of NFTs by supporting environmental initiatives & relationships with power


• John's first tokenized work on the Bitmark chain


• The two main issues that Whitney encounters when talking about NFTs to artists and collectors from the traditional world


• The need for galleries and art fairs to catch up with the contemporary scene as it becomes increasingly digital


• An overview of crystalline work (arctic) and the generative aspects of the performance


• How Feral File worked with John to bring this experiment to life


• Reconciling works that require patience against a population with a diminishing attention span


• Time, data, the dating system for crystalline work and billionaires turning our consciousness into light


• Newgrange


• Blockchain as an alternative to oil-backed currencies with the potential to be a globally uniting force (...and pirates!)


• The complicated dance between the unreal and the real

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Episode Art: crystalline work (arctic) 24.2.1.0 by John Gerrard

Intro & Outro tracks by PixelWank