Rob Rinder - barrister, author, TV presenter and more - joins Gaby for a good ole natter about all things joyful.

They discuss his new book (which is based on a real-life case he defended), his amazing documentaries (his passion projects) - and - his friendship with Rylan.

Liz Hurley's boobs are also featured, as is The Queen Mother (but not in the same story!)

We hope you enjoy this little bit of sunshine - and remember, you can watch all our episode on our YouTube channel, where you'll also get bonus content every Friday!

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