This week, Thomas sits down with acclaimed poet and author Ross Gay for a conversation on the intrinsic link between joy and sorrow, and the importance of finding delight in a world where doing so feels increasingly difficult.

Ross’ work is focused on finding joy through human connection, from kinship and ancestry to the profound and powerful connection we feel when we help each other carry our sorrows. In this way, sorrow serves as an unexpected source of delight, a fundamental element of life that illuminates the precarity of joy, and thus its potency.

Ross was also kind enough to share readings of some of his delightful poetry.

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✨ Ross Gay is the author of four books of poetry: Against Which; Bringing the Shovel Down; Be Holding, winner of the PEN American Literary Jean Stein Award; and Catalog of Unabashed Gratitude, winner of the 2015 National Book Critics Circle Award and the 2016 Kingsley Tufts Poetry Award. He has released three collections of essays—The Book of Delights was released in 2019 and was a New York Times bestseller; Inciting Joy was released in 2022, and his newest collection, The Book of (More) Delights was released in September of 2023.

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👉 https://www.rossgay.net

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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