In this episode of .think atlantic, IRI’s Thibault Muzergues is joined by Giulia Pompili to talk about how both Russia and China work to increase their influence in European politics. The conversation focuses specifically on Italy.

Giulia is a well-known journalist at Il Foglio, where she covers Eastern Asia. She is also the author of the Katane newsletter, and we had her come last year to talk about her previous book, Sotto lo stesso Cielo. This time, however, she’s here to talk about her new book, which was co-written with Valerio Valentini and covers the topic of the day. It is in Italian and it is called Al cuore dell’Italia, whose full title translates as “To The Heart of Italy: How Russia and China are Trying To Conquer The Country”.

What happened in the spring of 2020 in Italy? Are there similarities in the ways the Chinese Communist Party and Putin’s regime have tried to capture Italian elites? Are there common features or motives that makes an individual pro-Russian or pro-Chinese? How Chinese and Russian institutions have attempted to influence and control the Italian press? What are the challenges ahead for the new Italian government?

Listen for answers to these questions and more in this episode.

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