In Episode 7: we go behind the subject of that chapter and discuss restorative justice and the Penal Law Reform Trusts that advocate for custodial sentences being a last resort. Prisons should just, humane, and effective. We discuss rehabilitation and reintegration into society.   We discuss the famous debate that went on for many years between two eminent lawyers -  one Prof. Hart, a professor of jurisprudence at Oxford University, and the other a former Judge -Lord Devlin who debated aspects of law and morality and law and its relationship to society in the 1960s. This linked to our thoughts about young offenders.  We looked at the object of the prisons, whether that was to satisfy the public that retribution had been handed out, or do we punish to assist in rehabilitation. We discussed the benefits of community policing and look at the Swedish and other Scandinavian models where they have explored the benefits of Open Prisons.