It takes some doing to be a founding member of not one but two trailblazing acts. But that's Martyn Ware, without whom we wouldn't have The Human League or Heaven 17.

After that, amongst other things, production duties on an album that sold over 14 million units and delivered a USA Hot 100 number 1. Not too shabby.

Still performing, teaching ,writing and exploring, here Nick and Eddy learn how Martyn charted his fascinating course. For further research check out his autobiography and podcast ‘Electronically Yours.’