In this solo episode, Angela reflects on the two very different opening conversations of the season with Lata Hamilton on leading change and Karen Skidmore on living it. What begins as a comparison becomes a deeper exploration of how real transformation always has two layers: the outer work of what we do, and the inner work of who we’re becoming.

Angela unpacks why we often feel “stuck” when our inner change hasn’t yet caught up with the external one, how raw and polished states both have value, and why the in-between (that uncomfortable neutral zone) is where wisdom forms.

If you’re navigating a transition, in work or in life, this episode is a reminder that confusion isn’t failure. It’s growth in motion.

Themes:

– The two layers of change: outer vs. inner

– Raw vs. polished states of transformation

– The psychology of endings, neutral zones, and beginnings

– Midlife leadership and the courage to stay curious

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