1:30 – Zach is weary of society and also on a delay

4 – How are you?

5:30 – We are all just hurtling through space on a tiny rock

8:15 – A pair of life coaches

9 – The podcast has in fact started and we are seven minutes and 30 seconds into it

10:15 – The Ellen Adair story begins in Philadelphia, which is how one becomes a Phillies fan, as few people willingly choose it

12:30 – Ben lobs out possibly the worst borough-related joke ever told

15 – Nepotism, etc

16:30 – Ellen Adair is NOT Ellen Adair’s *full* name

19 – On the day that we recorded this podcast, someone named Ellen Adair died in South Carolina, but not THAT one

21:30 – A story about Kirk Douglas leads to the pronouncement that whiteness is a construct

24:30 – We are all Declan McManus

27 – We would ALL be so lucky as to perform Death of a Salesman in a Bennigans?

27:30 – Why acting? Transformation!

30 – Ben can’t get his Shakespeare plays about English kings straight

32 – Acting, part two: externality and infinity!

35:15 – The Arthur Miller Special

39 – Possibly the first religious turn Shaggin’ Flies has taken

45 – We are all wearing masks and performing, whether it be stage, gender, or interpersonally

51:30 – The difference between stage acting and screen acting

57 – Poetry!

1:00 – Zach is lost and returned

1:05 – Watching the super bowl with Dylan Baker

1:12:15 – Meeting Jim Thome > Meeting Barack Obama

1:13 – Baseball drawings! (ellendrawsbaseball@gmail.com)

1:17 – Why baseball? It is the beauty of renaissance painting combined with the apollonian perfection of Newtonian physics

1:25 – The clarity of the drama

1:29:00 – Favorite Phillies players (Jimmy Rollins love)

1:32 – Ballparks

1:38:30 – Order of Operations Trifecta

1:53 – Baseball movies

2:00 – Ghosts, multiple

2:04 – Making rules about seeing ghosts or not

2:12 – Superpowers

2:15 – The Full Count!

• Ellen’s Book Recommendation: Cloud Atlas (shoutout Ulysses!)


• Ellen’s Food Recommendation: Bún


• Ellen’s Movies/TV Recommendation: Maniac


• Ellen’s Music Recommendation: 4Keus


• Ellen’s Miscellaneous Recommendation: Thinking of life in terms of narrative

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