In this episode of The Pivot, host Andrew Osenga welcomes singer/songwriter and author Sarah Kroger. Sarah opens up about overcoming people-pleasing and perfectionism, a belief that extended to her relationship with God. Through therapy and self-reflection, Sarah reveals how she discovered the gift of boundaries, understanding it as an act of self-love and protection. This powerful pivot transformed her personal life, allowing her to embrace her identity as a writer and artist with authenticity. Join Andrew and Sarah for a conversation that delves into faith, creativity, friendships, and mentorship.

Thought-Provoking Quotes: 

“If you don’t change your mind, like from when you were in your twenties to when you’re in your teens to now, then you haven’t been paying attention.’ - Sarah Kroger

“I believed that it was my responsibility to make people happy. I am a recovering people pleaser and perfectionist.” - Sarah Kroger 

“I come back to that word ‘agency’ because for so much of my life, it was just deferential. Any opinions, any decisions, it was always what other people wanted—to maintain peace, or ‘peace faking,’ as my therapist likes to call it.” - Sarah Kroger

“The longest relationship of your life is with yourself. If you don’t learn how to like yourself, like being around yourself, and healing your relationship to yourself, it’s going to be a problem.” - Sarah Kroger

“There’s a lot that unites us and divides us and a lot of beauty that we can find on both expressions of the faith.” - Sarah Kroger 

“For so, so long, I thought that the goal was to be perfect. And the more that I’ve let that go in life, the more I’ve been able to connect, because no one’s perfect." - Sarah Kroger

“Doubt is a part of the fabric of trying to be a faithful Christian. I think it’s a huge part of this life and journey and it’s totally okay, acceptable, real, honest, and good.” - Sarah Kroger

Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:

• Books:
  • My Beloved Child: Words of Love From the Father by Sarah Kroger
  • Belovedness: Overcoming Your Inner Critic (A Lyrical Devotional) by Sarah Kroger
  • How to Remember: Forgotten Pathways to Authentic Faith by Andrew Osenga
• Music:
  • A New Reality (specifically the song “No Filter”)
  • Anchor Hymns Project (specifically the songs “How Precious Your Presence” and “The Garden”)
  • “Belovedness” by Sarah Kroger
• Organizations/Programs:
  • The Fold (creative writing retreat/experience)
  • Faithful Project

*Watch this interview on Andrew’s YouTube channel!  

*All episode music is by Andrew Osenga. 

Guest’s Links: 

Sarah’s website

Sarah’s Instagram

Sarah’s X

Sarah’s Facebook

Sarah’s YouTube

Sarah’s TikTok

Connect with Andrew: 

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How to Remember by Andrew Osenga

Hold the Light by Andrew Osenga

*The Pivot is produced in conjunction with Four Eyes Media.