This episode goes right to the heart of it, exploring the connection between joy and igniting meaningful change. It’s interesting that Jonathan, a self-described non-believer, is so attuned to the soul.

00.55 Reference Cards: The difference between “I think”, “I believe”, and I know”
05:40 Illuminate Card 8
11:00 There’s joy in being with the crowd. It’s uplifting.
12:35 What does worship mean?
15:25 Joy as an outpouring, going over the limits, uncontained
16:00 Joy as the fuel of the soul
18:40 Digging for dignity, where the human starts, the part that can’t be taken away.
20:55 Feeding vs fueling the soul
22:55 Is it possible to admire one’s self?
25:00 Fully accepting all of one’s self is not easy
29:30 Surviving vs. thriving
35:00 “Come on then” -- A childhood story never told before
40:55 “At some point, fear becomes intolerable.”
45:29 Back to worship… A plea or a provocation?
50:45 Going to a concert is a conscious desire to go beyond your limits.
52:05 “As a non-believer, I am very comfortable saying that worship is healthy and necessary, and fulfilling some deep need that I don’t fully understand.”
55:55 . “When we’re radiant, I see it as the soul expanding at that moment and filling the person. At that moment, there’s nothing but the soul.”
58:20 An anecdote of joy walking
1:03:50 Joy is a unique emotion, deeply connected to the soul.
1:04:44 Can we ignite meaningful change without tapping into our soul?
1:11:50 Going back to the source where we refuel ourselves.
1:13:00 What brings you joy? [“A moment of expansion when we become bigger than ourselves.”
1:14:47 Lack of joy in state of survival
1:17:00 Final answer [“We just need to be plugged in again.”]