Jesse Genet and Stephan Ango co-founded Lumi almost a decade ago. It first made wallets and prints and dyed material, then developed and distributed a light-sensitive fabric ink. Now it's a company that manages the production and ordering of packaging supplies. This might sound unrelated, but it's a natural transition resulting from interrogating one's interests, figuring out what your real business is, and learning new things. We talk about Shark Tank, fulfilling one's dreams, and why 10,000 shipments a month is small potatoes in the packaging world.

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Show notes:

• Inkodye


• Jesse's Shark Tank appearance


• The accidental invention of lithography by Alois Senefelder


• Lumi at Y Combinator


• The Queen Mum told Graham Chapman to tour with Monty Python


• Studio Neat's book, It Will Be Exhilarating


• Glenn appeared twice on the Internet History Podcast: Amazon's early days (Feb. 2015) and Amazon's myths and work culture (Aug. 2015). Also buy host Brian McCullough's book developed from the podcast!


• Lumi visits a corrugated box factory


• The Lumi podcast, Well Made


• The super beat-up box that arrived at my house