Throughout this show, there's been mention of how best to have honest conversations about military service. In this episode, we put this into action by going far beyond the well-intentioned but shallow, "thank you for your service" model. For years now, Shaun Hall has been knee deep in those honest discussions. His own podcast-the Scuttlebutt- deals specifically with the social and cultural differences between the armed forces and American society at large. I caught up with Shaun a few weeks back while coordinating my interview with Brad Washabaugh for episode 5 and he asked me to be a guest on the Scuttlebutt. This conversation is, without question, the most thought provoking and vulnerable discussion that I have had with a civilian. Chances like this to learn about how someone with different life experiences frames the world and understands the role of the fighting man within it. Check out Shaun's podcast to learn more and enjoy this episode as we both place everything on the table.