Ollie and Max, both of whom run successful SaaS businesses, and are Software Engineers, introduce themselves and cover topics such as why engineers often find it challenging to become an entrepreneur, the hidden market for SaaS tools that are essentially productivity hacks for engineers, and beautiful code vs running a business. Going further into the conversation, Max brings up Process as a Service (PaaS), Ollie talks about the mindset of learning and adapting to change and finishes with a thought on ‘The People Problem’.