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Stephan Livera - Paper Bitcoin or not, Bitcoin is going to $10 Million

Stephan Livera - Paper Bitcoin or not, Bitcoin is going to $10 Million

Update: 2025-07-28
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In this episode, I chat with Stephan Livera, Bitcoin educator, host of the Stephan Livera Podcast, and advisor at Bold Bitcoin. We explore his journey of escaping the lockdowns in Australia to build a new life in Dubai, and how his libertarian values and understanding of Bitcoin economics shaped that decision.


Stephan also shares his thoughts on cycles, proof of reserves, the role of stablecoins, and the long-term outlook for hyperbitcoinization.


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––– Chapters –––


00:00 - Intro


01:09 - Escaping Australia and the Birth of a New Life in Dubai


06:34 - How Bitcoin and Libertarianism Shaped Stephan’s Exit


12:09 - Feeling Disconnected from Home and Becoming a Global Citizen


16:24 - The Allure of Dubai and Its Strategic Advantages


18:54 - Bitcoin Core vs. Knots, Ordinals, and Relay Filters


23:09 - Consensus vs. Policy and Mining Centralization Risks


28:09 - Core Development, Multiple Implementations, and GitHub Controversy


32:34 - Bitcoin Core Funding and Developer Incentives


35:54 - Bitcoin Treasury Companies and Fiat Arbitrage Opportunities


40:09 - Understanding Risk and the Premium to NAV Debate


45:29 - Global Perspectives: Trapped Capital, Arbitrage, and Institutional Flows


49:49 - The Future of Treasury Companies and Their Evolution


55:09 - Nation-State Adoption and Libertarian Reflections


58:24 - Market Cycles, Future Peaks, and Drawdowns


01:04:49 - Is It Too Late to Stack? Advice for Friends and Family


01:07:54 - Inflation, Recess from the Rulers, and the Tether Debate


01:11:03 - Seven Years of Bitcoin Podcasting: What Keeps Stephan Going


01:12:28 - Aha Moments, Power Laws, and the Path to Hyperbitcoinization


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Produced by nilli studio (https://x.com/nillistudio)


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Stephan Livera - Paper Bitcoin or not, Bitcoin is going to $10 Million

Stephan Livera - Paper Bitcoin or not, Bitcoin is going to $10 Million