In this episode, Brian and Chris welcome legendary Texas band director Robert Herrings for an electrifying and honest conversation about achieving sustained excellence. Herrings, known for his unprecedented consecutive Honor Band wins and multiple Midwest appearances with Henry Middle School along with his upcoming Midwest debut with Vista Ridge High School, reveals his philosophy for building a program with sustaining success. He candidly shares the secrets behind his consistency: prioritizing student relationships, constant self-improvement (including private lessons on every instrument), and maintaining sky-high expectations rooted in joy and humanity. The episode is packed with practical advice for teachers at every level.