Songs To Live By is a podcast celebrating different generations of Black culture through a shared love of music. Host Vick Hope is joined by two guests, who grew up at different times, to share the songs that shaped their lives.

In this episode, Vick is joined by music producers Swindle and Roni Size to talk about the importance of music history in making music of the future, bringing unity through music, the merits of getting kicked out of school and being a music pioneer.

Swindle is a musician, record producer and DJ who produces grime, dubstep, and garage with a heavy dose of funk. His CV reads like a Who's who of the UK MC scene. Roni Size, is an English DJ and record producer. He came to prominence in 1997 as the founder and frontman of Roni Size & Reprazent, a drum and bass collective, who that year won the Mercury Prize for their debut studio album New Forms.

Producer: Cecile Wright