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Martin also asked the listeners to keep him posted about law enforcement benefits in their area so that he could promote them on the show.

Today's guest is George Williams, an expert witness in the subject matter of law enforcement use of force and reasonableness. George is actively saving the careers of law enforcement officers not only as an instructor, but as an expert witness on the stand.

George talks about two courts cases that have defined modern-day use of force and how it's viewed by the courts. First, Graham v. Connor changed everything when the court defined the reasonableness test for use of force incidents.

Second, Scott v. Harris, which began as a pursuit, further defined the role of reasonable and outcomes. As a matter of fact, the pursuit that started the case can be seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrVKSgRZ2GY