Ta-Nehisi Coates on Bridging Gaps vs. Drawing Lines
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The writer Ta-Nehisi Coates was harshly critical of my response to Charlie Kirk’s assassination. In an article in Vanity Fair, he suggested I was whitewashing Kirk’s legacy, comparing it to the whitewashing of the Southern cause after the Civil War.
So I wanted to have Coates on the show to talk out our disagreement, as well as some deeper questions that I think exist underneath it about the work of politics.
What should the left do about the fact that so many Americans share Kirk’s views? What kinds of disagreements should we try to bridge? When is that work moral and necessary, and when is it a betrayal?
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
“Charlie Kirk, Redeemed: A Political Class Finds Its Lost Cause” by Ta-Nehisi Coates
Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates
“My President Was Black” by Ta-Nehisi Coates
Book Recommendations:
The Brothers by Stephen Kinzer
Race and Reunion by David W. Blight
The Sirens’ Call by Chris Hayes
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Coates & Klein want to call Charlie Kirk hateful simply because he had some success at making contray arguments to their world view. Most objective Americans do not see Kirks speeches as being an act of hate. But, people that shoot at people just for saying something they don't like, That's Hateful, likewise, people who express pleasure that someone was shot at who said something they don't agree with, that's hateful too.