Today I'm joined by an absolute legend, Van Jackson, author of books including The Rivalry Peril, Pacific Power Paradox, Grand Strategies of the Left, and On the Brink, and of course his podcasts Un-Diplomatic and Bang Bang.

We talk about all things national security life, IR academia, the social class of defence folks, and just riff on a range of things. Go give him a follow and check out his books and substack!