The 5 whys with Ben Rodgers!
Update: 2025-11-21
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This week on The Vocal Lab Podcast, Jason and Shelby sit down with Ben Rodgers of Pivotol for a conversation that blends identity, creativity, and the unexpected.
From the shrimp boat–style lunch where Ben and Jason first connected to the deeper questions behind the real X-factor—do we truly know ourselves?—Ben explores why the Relational Economy may matter more than talent alone.
You’ll hear why choosing your “spot” is everything, how one decision can redirect a life, and why what’s meant for you somehow finds its way.
Plus, get a first look at the new At Depth podcast launching January 1st.
Over an hour of insight, stories, and reflection—don’t miss it.
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