In this episode of the Apollo 40 Under 40 Art & Tech podcast, Gabrielle Schwarz speaks to Clara Blume, head of Open Austria’s Art and Tech Lab in Silicon Valley, and Lauren Lee McCarthy, an artist and programmer based in Los Angeles. Both are interested in the question of who gets to shape the new technologies that increasingly define our lives. Lee McCarthy discusses setting up p5.js, a platform dedicated to improving access and diversity in coding, and Blume explains why artists ought to be leading the conversation about the future of big tech.

The third series of the Apollo 40 under 40 podcast features conversations with some of the individuals celebrated in this year’s Apollo 40 under 40 Art & Tech, presented in partnership with BNP Paribas.