Growing up, Katie Payne was the kid who couldn’t stop drawing — on homework, jeans, anything within reach. Now an illustrator and art director shaping entire worlds, she joins host Ella Zhang to talk about rediscovering creativity as an adult, leading teams of artists with empathy, and realizing that passion isn’t something you outgrow — it’s something you grow into. Together, they explore how staying connected to your inner “art kid” can turn imagination into a lifelong calling.

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