It could be a conversation that will change the world as we know it. This week, President Trump and President Putin had a phone call to discuss “dividing up certain assets”, including land and power plants in Ukraine.

So, where are we as drone attacks continue to rain down across Ukraine and Russia and the White House promises peace at any cost? 

Dmytro Kuleba is the former Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs and member of the National Defense and Security Council of Ukraine. A man who was describing Putin as a ‘war criminal’ as far back as 2022, and at the heart of Ukrainian power for a number of years, what does he make of this latest twist in the power struggle for his homeland?

And we speak to a soldier who has spent months in mortal combat with Russian and North Korean forces, telling us what life is really like on the bloody frontline.

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Presenter:  David Patrikarakos

Producer: Philip Wilding

Editor: Chelsey Moore

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Executive Producer: Bella Soames

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