What happens when the mind meets the breath, when science meets intuition, and when philosophy steps into the body?

In this powerful episode of Against the Grain, Gary King is joined by Dr. Iya Whiteley — a renowned space psychologist, human performance expert, and advocate for conscious evolution — to explore the profound relationship between breath, movement, and the hidden depths of the human psyche.

Together, they dive into questions that strike at the core of human experience:

• How does breath shape perception and emotion?
• Can curiosity truly act as an antidote to depression?
• What happens when we learn to listen to the intelligence of the body rather than the noise of the mind?
• And how can ancient wisdom and modern science converge to guide us through times of chaos and change?

This conversation unfolds like a journey — from the dojo to the therapist’s chair, from the space lab to the inner self. Gary and Iya explore how martial arts can be a mirror for personal transformation, teaching discipline, humility, and the art of conscious movement. They discuss how embracing contradiction can spark creative problem-solving, and how intuitive awareness often precedes intellectual understanding.

At the heart of their dialogue lies a simple but radical idea: that breath is a bridge — between body and mind, self and other, science and spirit. Through stories, reflections, and practical insight, Dr. Whiteley reveals how breathwork can open doorways to flow states, expanded perception, and even healing at the deepest psychological level.

But this isn’t just about self-optimization. It’s about connection.

They delve into the power of narrative in healing, the importance of safe spaces in therapy and personal growth, and how sharing our stories can awaken the hidden intelligence of the psyche. From parenting and intuition to the invisible forces that guide human evolution, the discussion illuminates the threads that connect us all — across disciplines, generations, and ways of knowing.

This episode will challenge your assumptions, stretch your imagination, and invite you to reconsider what it means to be truly alive, aware, and curious in a world that often rewards distraction.

Ultimately, the conversation returns to a timeless truth:

that love — in its broadest, most mysterious sense — remains at the heart of human experience. To live with curiosity, compassion, and presence is to remember that we are all part of a larger story — one still being written with every conscious breath.

If you’ve ever wondered how intuition, science, and spirituality might speak to one another… this episode is your invitation to listen.

🎧 Against the Grain is a podcast for those who dare to think differently, question deeply, and explore the unseen dimensions of life.

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