In this episode of The Corporate Burnouts, Mandy Holt and Mandy Alt take a deep dive into what it really means to get comfortable outside your comfort zone, in business, relationships, and life. From Boston adventures and family updates to fear, growth, and the “never say never” list, this conversation blends laughter, vulnerability, and hard-won wisdom. The Mandys talk openly about how stepping into discomfort leads to growth, how fear and courage always arrive together, and why staying “fine” is often the biggest trap we fall into in both corporate life and personal relationships.

They share powerful stories of quitting corporate jobs, building businesses, and public speaking fears, all illustrating how true growth happens when you stop chasing control and start chasing courage. You’ll hear relatable insight on imposter syndrome, the illusion of safety in the workplace, the fear of judgment, and the surprising joy that comes when you say yes to something new. Whether you’re stuck in a corporate rut, afraid to make a big move, or just craving inspiration to shake things up, this episode is your reminder that courage creates transformation.

In this heart-centered and hilarious episode, the Mandys challenge listeners to make their own “Never Say Never” list, the bold things they once swore they’d never do, but now might be ready to try. From trying new styles to chasing new careers, they show how each step toward discomfort is really a step toward freedom.

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