What happens when a father dares to speak the truth the world hasn't made space for? In this episode of Parents Who Think, host Danusia Malina-Derben speaks with Elliot Rae—author, speaker, and founder of Music Football Fatherhood—in a conversation about emotional fluency, gender equality, and the revolution unfolding inside modern fatherhood.

They explore what happens after traumatic birth and postnatal anxiety, how safe spaces for men are made (and misunderstood), and why organisations need to stop treating dads as optional extras. Elliot reflects on founding MFF as a form of self-therapy, the deep responsibility of public voice, and what it takes to show up as both a parent and a change-maker.

From Black fatherhood to workplace policy, this episode asks what else becomes possible when we stop pretending dads don't feel—and let them lead with more than silence.

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Credits:

• Hosted by Danusia Malina-Derben

• Edited, Mixed + Mastered by Marie Cruz

• Cover art by Anthony Oram