In this Church 3.0 episode, Tyler interviews Johnmark Oudersluys, the Executive Director of CityLink Center, for a powerful conversation about the future of church health, long-term disciple-making, and how ministries can rethink their strategies for real community impact.

Johnmark shares lessons from leading one of the most innovative, collaborative ministry centers in the country—focusing on outcomes, not outputs, and helping churches move beyond weekend-centric models.

From measuring what actually matters to building systems that create transformation, this episode gives pastors and ministry leaders a practical roadmap to build healthier churches in 2025 and beyond.

• ⛪ What You’ll Learn
• 📊 Why many churches are measuring the wrong things
• 🔁 The shift from programming to pathways
• 🤝 How CityLink Center is redesigning community impact
• 💡 What healthy churches prioritize (and what they stop doing)
• 🤲 Why collaboration—not competition—is the future of ministry
• 📈 The new metrics every pastor needs in 2025
• 🧩 How to structure teams for long-term discipleship
• 🛠️ Practical steps to build a healthier, more sustainable church model

🔗 About Johnmark Oudersluys

Johnmark Oudersluys is the Executive Director of CityLink Center, a nationally recognized hub where churches, nonprofits, and service providers collaborate to help individuals break cycles of poverty through integrated, Christ-centered support.

🔗 Learn more about Apollos – https://apollos.com/church-growth
🔗 Connect with Johnmark Oudersluys on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnmark-oudersluys-98a785/

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