Most leaders spend years chasing goals—until one day, they realize they’ve lost touch with why they were chasing them in the first place. That’s where this conversation with Dr. Stefan Frädrich and Pia Isabel Rössle-Frädrich gets really interesting. They’ve been guiding entrepreneurs and changemakers through deeply personal, often psychedeli (c-fueled journeys to help them reconnect with what really matters. Recorded on Necker Island, this talk goes into the raw, human side of leadership most people don’t see.

Dr. Stefan—former Psychiatrist, Bestselling Author, and Founder of both Greator and Leaders Academy—shares how nothing he’s studied or practiced compares to the transformation he’s witnessed through psychedelics. And Pia Isabel, a Business Psychologist and longtime Retreat Guide, opens up about her own path and how she blends therapy, intuition, and body wisdom to help people break through. The way they talk about shame, guilt, authenticity, and emotional release—it’s not just powerful, it’s real. There’s no noise here, just the kind of depth that makes you pause and think.

This episode shifts the lens on leadership—not as something you do, but as something you embody. It’s for anyone who’s ever questioned what success actually feels like, or wondered if there’s more to leadership than strategy and spreadsheets. What if the real work is about slowing down, getting honest, and letting yourself feel again? If that hits home, this one’s worth a listen.

Key Timestamps

[00:00:00 ] Introduction.

[00:05:43 ] Is leadership all about dominance?

[00:08:00 ] True leadership and authenticity.

[00:09:48 ] Achievements and the feelings that surround it.

00:11:42 ] Your reference experience.

[00:13:33 ] The mission should be bigger than the ego.

[00:14:41 ] Love is equals to safety + joy.

[00:17:56 ] What are you willing to risk for freedom

[00:22:08 ] Self-sabotage and childhood traumas.

[00:24:28 ] There are only two choices – to feel good or to feel bad.

[00:26:19 ] The illusion of separation.

[00:29:53 ] Fear of living and growth.

[00:32:21 ] The power of psychedelics.

Memorable Quotes:

"I think this is the main difference between the leader and an icon — icons are rooted in themselves. They know who they are. They don't do things in order to achieve something — they are the mission themselves." [00:07:55 ] – Dr. Stefan Frädrich

"I think the most important thing is that we realize that all suffering in the world is just based on one wrong belief — and it's the illusion of separation." [00:26:19 ] – Pia Isabel Rössle-Frädrich

Connect with Dr. Stefan Frädrich:

Website: https://www.stefan-fraedrich.de/

Psychedelic Leadership: ⁠⁠https://psychedelic-leadership.com/⁠⁠

Reality Upgrade: ⁠⁠https://www.reality-upgrade.com/en

Reality Upgrade's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reality_upgrade_retreat/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stefan_fraedrich/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dr.stefan.fraedrich

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@sfraed

Connect with Pia Isabel Rössle-Frädrich:

Website: https://www.reality-upgrade.com/de & https://www.psychedelic-leadership.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pia_isabel__

International Instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/pia_isabel_int/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pia.isabel_coaching

Connect with Modern Enlightenment:

Website: https://www.ceremoniacircle.org/podcast/modern-enlightenment

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Produced by Evolved Podcasting: www.evolvedpodcasting.com