The No Treason Podcast Ep. 7: Treaties, Debt & the Machinery of Servitude
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In this dense and thought-provoking episode of The No Treason Podcast, Jonathan Drake dives straight into Lysander Spooner’s dismantling of government legitimacy. Jonathan walks listeners through Spooner’s shift from exposing the Constitution’s fatal contradictions to identifying the true structure of modern slavery—beginning with treaties and government debt.
He breaks down why treaties fail every standard of natural law, why no agent of government can prove lawful consent to enter them, and how these agreements entangle millions of people in obligations they never accepted. Jonathan then tackles Spooner’s devastating critique of national debt—showing how a “secret band” of unaccountable agents borrows in darkness, uses criminal purposes as justification, and binds future generations through coercion, taxation, and fraud.
Alongside Spooner’s logic, Jonathan explores apophatic reasoning, natural law, anarcho-capitalist debates, election secrecy, and the moral implications of political power itself. Sponsors, live-chat reflections, and Jonathan’s signature philosophical clarity round out a rigorous exploration of consent, sovereignty, and the machinery that keeps citizens trapped in manufactured obligations.











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