Pilgrimage is a profound way to travel in honor of the sacred and liminal. In this podcast episode, astrologers Alicia Cielle Heiser and Lori Kaufman chat with our teacher Jason Holley about a pilgrimage to Greece that he recently organized in which we participated.

We discuss the importance of being in relationship with land, deities, animals and humans to move into generative ways of being rather than relying on extraction. We also dig into the power of myth and give suggestions to listeners for ways to engage in pilgrimage without having to leave your home. Jason has an evocative and poetic way of describing things and we think you'll really enjoy this episode with him!

Tyson Yunkaporta's model for interaction:

In this order: Respect, Connect, Reflect, Direct

From Sand Talk by Tyson Yunkaporta

Jason also mentioned Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer which is one of Alicia's absolute favorite books.

WHERE TO FIND US: 

• Jason Holley's Mailing List⁠
• Conversations with the Planets Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠@conversationswplanets⁠⁠
  
• ⁠Lori Kaufman's Instagram⁠
• ⁠Lori Kaufman's website⁠
• ⁠Alicia Cielle Heiser's Instagram⁠
• ⁠Alicia Cielle's Heiser's website

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