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00:00  – Introduction & Episode Overview
02:00  – Why Dr Julie Sladden wrote “The Reckoning That Never Came”
05:45  – Julie’s cancer diagnosis and transformation in medical practice
10:58  – How her journey shaped her view on pandemic policies
15:25  – Pre-pandemic health plans vs. COVID response
18:59  – The Great Barrington Declaration explained
28:16  – Vaccine mandates and ethical failures in public health
36:37  – Lessons from Sweden’s approach
39:00  – What future health leaders need: Courage & integrity
48:28  – Hope for the future: Health sovereignty and community empowerment
52:40  – Closing thoughts

The Reckoning That Never Came: Dr Julie Sladden on COVID, Corruption & Courage

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:00:05 ] Hello and welcome to Unstressed Health, my name is Dr Ron Ehrlich. Well, today we are exploring the pandemic, and I think… Although it doesn’t seem to find its way into very much discussion. Either in governmental… In public health. In professional. Organisations or even in the media, it seems to have been brushed under the carpet. It is a subject that I think we could all describe as a collective trauma. Certainly an opportunity for global reflexion. And I think we have a great deal to learn from it. Both positive and sadly a great deal of negatives. My guest today is Dr. Julie Sladden. Now, Julie is a former medical practitioner. She’s now a health advocate. And she is a courageous voice for transparency in health care. Something I think is that is sadly, sadly like. Julie has been outspoken about the need for genuine reckoning. Following the COVID pandemic, highlighting the profound failures. In public health policy. Leadership and institutional trust. Drawing on her recent piece, which she wrote. Are called the reckoning that never came will explore the societal. Economic? And personal impacts of the pandemic policies. The erosion of trust. In healthcare authorities and why honest conversations are critical. For each and every one of us and also for a national healing and reform. This is an issue. Sadly, I think which is very relevant in Australia, but not really being addressed in Australia. But it is definitely a conversation that’s happening. In the United States. We touch on some of that today. I hope you enjoy this conversation I had. With Dr. Julie Sladden. Welcome to the show, Julie.

Dr Julie Sladden [00:01:57 ] Thank you, it’s great to be here.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:02:00 ] Julie, I read your article that was called The Reckoning That Never Came. And I was reflecting on that and that’s why I invited you on. I wanted to talk about this issue as we reflect back on the pandemic. I mean, what what motivated you to call for a pandemic reckoning? And how has your view evolved over the past three years?

Dr Julie Sladden [00:02:23 ] Well, it’s a good question, it was actually… A topic that I first wrote about over three years ago now. When I first started. Writing in the wake of the pandemic. And it was just coming up on the 2022 election. And I realised that one of my great fears was that. We wouldn’t. Talk about what happened. Because I’d noticed that. Both of the major parties in their debate. Had, or in the debates that they had, hadn’t mentioned the pandemic at all. And I thought. How can they not? This is 2022, so we’re still very much in the… The throes of everything that was going on, I thought how can they not be talking about the biggest thing that has affected people? Including health and physical policy and social cohesion. How can they not be talking about it? And I was just… And I thought, wow, what if they never talk about it? And that kind of thought. Didn’t even really. They’re entertaining, but… I did, I wrote about it and so I wrote about what should be in a pandemic reckoning. You know, that was my kind of like, this is what you guys should be talking about. And it was all of the things, I guess, that should ever be included in a royal commission, if there ever was one as well. So here we are, alarmingly, three years later. And it’s still. Not really happened. I mean, we’ve had. Um… Some various senate inquiries into you know developing terms of reference for a royal commission and we’ve had You know, evaluations of the labour government’s COVID inquiry, which was very much the inquiry that you have when you don’t really want to have an inquiry. Um, but. Nothing really that’s answered. The questions that. Or address the issues that have been. Ongoing since then and They do that at their peril because the people haven’t forgotten and it’s not just that. You know, the people in Victoria who were locked down terribly and had their businesses decimated. It’s all of Australia. You don’t need to go that far to see. Just the carnage, and it’s fiscal, it’s social, it… Educational. Um… The health system and you know every every problem that we had has been made worse and if we don’t actually name up the elephant in the room Then what?

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:04:51 ] I mean, it is I mean I have been following the story of. Corporate capture in health care. For almost 40 years, and it’s something that’s been, it’s not new, although to many it is new. And even I… Was shocked. By the level of capture because that’s really what it was, it wasn’t following any kind of plan and the collective trauma we all experience. At various levels was extraordinary. I’m intrigued though, Julie, because your background is medicine. You are a doctor, you have been a doctor. Tell me about your journey as a doctor. I mean, have you been? Have you been, how would you describe the way you practised medicine up until that point in the pandemic?

Dr Julie Sladden [00:05:41 ] Yeah, well that is a story in and of itself.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:05:45 ] I’m intrigued by those stories, Julie, because they’re transformational. For many practitioners, but sadly not as many as there should be.

Dr Julie Sladden [00:05:53 ] Yeah, and I think… I’ve always said, you know, one of the best educational experiences I had in medicine was being a patient myself. And I think it was that experience that really positioned me to see that. Some of the things that were. Being done as part of the pandemic response were counterintuitive. And weren’t really setting people up. To be healthy. Which is what made me look into it further. We’ve had a lot of terms bandied around in the last few years. You know conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, misinformation. Blah blah blah, call it what you will, but… You have to be prepared to ask questions. When I was practising medicine, you know, as we entered the pandemic, I’d very much. Um, was practising in a way that, you know, I… Being forced to ask questions about the education that I had. The way that we were being trained. And that was simply