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The Rescuer Trap: The Schema Trap featuring Dr. Jeff Perron

The Rescuer Trap: The Schema Trap featuring Dr. Jeff Perron

Update: 2025-11-05
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This episode features guest hosts Dr. Scott Waltman and Kasey Pierce, authors of the forthcoming book The Rescuer Trap. Dr. Jeff Perron joins us to explore the deep-seated schemas (like Self-Sacrifice and Subjugation) that create the “Rescuer Trap.” We discuss how these unconscious, childhood-rooted patterns conflict with your adult values, and provide insight on using a schema-informed approach to establish boundaries and finally break free from the cycle of people-pleasing.

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Are you the fixer, the over-giver, the emotional first responder for everyone but yourself? Welcome to The Rescuer Trap. We playfully own the labels “Parentified and Codependent” to make a point: these are not identities, but learned behaviors.

And what can be learned can be unlearned. Hosts Dr. Scott Waltman and Kasey Pierce use Stoic philosophy and CBT to give you the tools to break the cycle and reclaim your autonomy. Your escape from the trap starts here. Based on the forthcoming book, The Rescuer Trap (New Harbinger).

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The Rescuer Trap: The Schema Trap featuring Dr. Jeff Perron

The Rescuer Trap: The Schema Trap featuring Dr. Jeff Perron

Kasey Pierce and Scott Waltman PsyD ABPP