The SFFaudio Podcast #864 – In The Abyss by H.G. Wells (33 minutes) read by James Dixon for LibriVox AND Black Hound Of Death by Robert E. Howard (56 minutes) read by Ben Tucker, both for LibriVox, followed by a discussion of both. Participants in the discussion include Jesse, Will Emmons, Cora Buhlert, and Alex (pulpcovers)

Talked about on today’s show:

1897?, 1936, posthumusly, 1896, proto-Lovecraft, both of these stories are science fiction, would you object?, the point of either of them?, half-gadget story, chanting, science fiction elements, not the thing that’s going on, functionally horror stories, what happens at the end, our boy is killed, deep sea monsters, he’s down there living with them now, white surface god of the merpeople, an angel, brough evidence the source for all the goodies that fall, you can’t weld underwater very easily, fire, bring the equipment from above, when Lovecraft has his deep ones, crowns and stuff, treasure from the same source, the village of Innsmouth, immortality, a horror, I’m one of them, impure bloodline, the people I passed over on the Mayflower, so excited to go down again, we have to wonder, The Time Traveler at the end of The Time Machine, explorers, still things to discover, vanish again to explore some more, stick to their room, yithians exploring, The First Men In The Moon by H.G. Wells, a bathysphere spaceship that goes up instead of down, plant the flag and punch natives, he can’t get out, not even a hint, drink the potion, if this window opens, unscrewed, Silurians or Sea-Devils from Doctor Who, deep sea, not blob-fish people, people shaped, houses with no ceilings, the tone is different, a comedy piece, anti-comedy, put up a cheer, doesn’t really go anywhere, the repeated line anywhere, like butter spread on bread, supopsed to object more, tonally not, make the argument, the explanation for what happens in Black Hound Of Death, Mongolia, the Erlik worshipping sect, great at plastic surgery, they gave us all their science, secretly dribbled out, wrapped in a revenge story, other shudder pulp stories, Cat-Woman, set in Quebec, that one’s even science, mailed away for some gladular, the importance of hormones, maybe we can make a werewolf, not contagious right, Garfield, set in modern days, what makes it so shudder pulpy, or weird menacey, prototypical weird menace stories, weird tales pioneered that, trying to get the cover, naked girl tied to a table, Margaret Brundage, a parallel universe Margaret Brundage cover that would have been amazing, Seabury Quinn, a naked lady standing over a grave and a kitten, Sin House, good cover, elements that are super-interesting, is this an actual state, Louisiana, or Arkansas?, there’s a river, the negros call it Egypt, New York city, definitely not in New York City, Texas, pine forests, weird relationship to forests, so freaked out they have to write horror stories, pine trees, the soils become acidic, woodcutting, big plantations, hiking with 1000 year old oak trees, the image of the old growth forest, the first line of the story, Egyptian darkness., unseen things lurking in the blackness, slinking figures, prowl beyond the edge of normal life, not here for no reason, some such thoughts flitted vaguely, deep pineland, dares invade in the night, densely timbered river country, obscurely racial reason, main bad guy is Adam Grimm, Bros. Grim, the bible too, in Exodus, the Jews wanna flee the pharaoh, mark their doors with lambs’ blood, the mezuza, 3 nights there’s darkness, occupied by ex-slaves, one white man living in this forest, honorable white man, save his fellow white man, a little like a Solomon Kane story, treats all races equally, an escaped prisoner, killed a sherriff’s deputy?, forget to mention, a black man killed by this black man, a trustee, a killer of all men, a particular mission of revenge, you can’t write a Robert E. Howard story without a collection of grindstones you need to grind, barbarism vs. civilization, hiding in the forest, betrayed a white man, got a letter with a photo of his face, the girl is only there because we need a girl, look good while naked on the cover, a threat in the forest, more obviously manly, another strong image, a black man with his ear ripped off, same thing happens to our guy in another fight, my superior boxing science, beat each other to a pulp, a thing that happens for real, Evander Holyfield, Tyson did the biting, one ear had been torn from his head, gigantic beast had ripped it out with his fangs, mangled ears of boxers, that’s from being punched a lot, traditionally you don’t bite, a meal, a shotgun, the second ear, a wild beast, Tope Braxton, as bull apes fight, knee driven to groin, gouging, the pistols on the ground, aware of only one desire, to kill with naked hands, a motionless mass of bloody flesh and splintered bone, iron talons, bruised the bone beneath, a solid ache, three thews, sluiced from an ear that was ripped loose from my head, the choking until his hands meet, bloody scenes, the goriest, a Frank Frazetta illustration, Shadows Of Zamboula, the strangler, violent and detailed, they’re comedies, Steve Costigan ones, primal, the racial dynamic, a throwback for black people, this other dynamic, physically changed by semimagical methods that are all scientific, Erlik is their god, Himalayas, a Turkic god, People Of The Black Circle, two white explorers, chivalric hero, a dutch door, beneath the bottom of the door, the holes of the two barrels, because of the framing, this is a story set in a forest at night, unending, two kinds of darkness, the darkness of the barrels of the gun leveled at him, white characters and black characters, peeping, a lady on the table naked, twelve times, there’s no blessing, god please, the blood of the lamb on the door, how did he construct this story?, revenge, weird menace story, what things you need to include, plausibly, can’t be magical, a girl take her shirt off, that was implied, Dime Mystery, Spicy Mystery, posthumously, never intended for Weird Tales, 1932/3/4, crime magazines, Dime Mystery, Weird Terror Tales, Horror Stories, straight mystery was older, when did Horror Tales start?, that Ray Cummings story, werewoman, 1935, when Weird Tales starts they don’t even know what they’re doing, Terror Tales started in 1934, when Lovecraft writes in, almost gets the job of editor, he knows what we’re writing, Edmond Hamilton, spooky horror, gothic, weird fiction, some science fiction, sword and sorcery boom, supernatural investigators, traditional ghost stories, supernatural detective stories, William Hope Hodgson was doing it too, John Constatine, the Dresden Files, female versions, erotic urban fantasy thing, less focus on the mystery, not weird Sherlock Holmes stories, an action movie, crime mystery, hardboiled fiction, Hammett or Chandler, where we’re going, back to the bathysphere, spread like butter on bread, talking about your food?, everybody agrees that it is a ball, two windows, the second hand description, has to go down again, I have to go down again, choose when he’s gonna come up, a padded room, padded in a sphere shape, the friction, moving so fast through the water, suspend your knowledge, barely had submarines, they knew back then, brace yourself when it is moving, seatbelts, for racing, just brace yourself, post WWII, he could had a chair in there, a window to the outside world, James Cameron, the bottom of the deepest ocean, a cool undersea civilization, Titanic, separate incidents, they want to go to space, to be the guy that went there, his explanation is not super evident in the story, it was there, Everest hadn’t been climbed, up by themselves?, there’s no food up there?, before mountain climbing started as a sport, climb across the alps, why are these people, this important, for the narrative of this story, it is crazy to want to do this stuff, he saw things he says, he never wrote it down, what he said that he saw, he’s crazy, hallucinating, pendants to other stories, The Crystal Egg, a precursor to The War Of The Worlds, a palantir from The Lord Of The Rings, the people of mars, designed to be in the same book as, kinda like Dracula’s Guest, experimenting with the idea, Elmore Leonard, Karen Makes Out, the nested narrative, a graveyard stone, having sex with dead bodies, super-normal, afraid of living out his life in a padded room, he’s insane, real boring, there are people down there, whenever a ship of our’s sinks, the H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society: let’s combine War Of The Worlds and Innsmouth, sinking our ships, the mer-people, mermen, aquaticans, [tritons by H.P. Lovecraft too] undersea people, the idea lives on, the earliest version, The Abyss (1989) weird things on the ocean floor, not evening getting it in a letter, H.G. Wells interviewed the guys on the boat, here it all is, The Temple by H.P. Lovecraft, as one does, creatures floating around down there, dolphins that are escorting them, Atlantis, Atlantis as aliens on earth, Disney World, Jules Verne’s 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, dragged like a train on a track, giant squid attacks you, a vivid memory, sole visit, at 5, time machine, steampunk Nautilus, windows where you could look out, 1 or 2 meters deep, the instinct in picking these two stories, how stories are constructed, weird fiction vs. science fiction, they are, it’s pulp, literally is, constructed to fit in a pulp magazine, straight up science fiction done in a sophisticated pioneering way, radically different, something like science fiction, his math was really bad, a werewolf dude, weird mongolian priests did it, he just wants a monster, maybe it